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  • Originally posted by ropebag View Post
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    personally i also see little point in a 10,000 ton fleet support ship - the initial cost isn't that much cheaper than a 26,000 ton fleet support ship like the RNoN Maud, the crewing requirement isn't that different, all you get for a little bit less money is a great deal less capability.
    Agreed - smaller might make it more politically sellable though.

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    • "the worst. worst. worst thing you could possibly do would be to try and bastardise the two types - all you'd get would be a really crap, but reasuringly expensive, light frigate with little offensive or defensive capability, along with the load carrying ability of an athsmatic Ant.

      Hmm Absalon doesnt appear to be that crap.

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      • agreed. I still think an AOR would bring more to the table.

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        • Excuse my ignorance but what is "AOR" ?

          (ye might find this amusing - i just googled AOR and the responses include - Album Orientated Rock and Australian Off Road! :-)

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          • Auxiliary - Oiler - Replenishment

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            • Oh and I just talked to a contact. Overall price is 254 M$. The 140 M£ (172 M$) is just before the final outfiitting in a Norwegian shipyard, which is where all the expensive stuff is installed. Still a good price though.

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              • Originally posted by Graylion View Post
                Oh and I just talked to a contact. Overall price is 254 M$. The 140 M£ (172 M$) is just before the final outfiitting in a Norwegian shipyard, which is where all the expensive stuff is installed. Still a good price though.
                Not really surprised, but plenty of the EU nations are getting "cute" in terms of how they are pricing the hulls (for example for the Absalon step sisters the cost is just the hull, weapons etc aren't priced in.

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                • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
                  Not really surprised, but plenty of the EU nations are getting "cute" in terms of how they are pricing the hulls (for example for the Absalon step sisters the cost is just the hull, weapons etc aren't priced in.
                  Actually, it makes perfect sense. 172 M$ is the value of the contract with BMT/Daewoo and that is what is usually quoted. It is OTOP, not the budget position.

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                  • Originally posted by Jetjock View Post
                    The phrase "designed around" springs to mind.

                    Regarding the radar, my thoughts exactly and hence my confusion. 100nm missile range is irrelevant if you don't have something, airborne or otherwise to do provide target info. You just won't see it with on-board systems.
                    The NSM comes in a box launcher which can be bolted on just like any other launcher as for Exocet or Harpoon.

                    As for needing target information the NSM is able to find its own target thanks to its IIR and on-board library of targets. So all you need to know is the rough area where the target is.
                    Of course how much of the library would be available to us as a non-NATO country is something that would need to be handled.

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                    • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                      The NSM comes in a box launcher which can be bolted on just like any other launcher as for Exocet or Harpoon.

                      As for needing target information the NSM is able to find its own target thanks to its IIR and on-board library of targets. So all you need to know is the rough area where the target is.
                      Of course how much of the library would be available to us as a non-NATO country is something that would need to be handled.
                      The NSM is about as bolt on to the referenced ship as the engine. Way to reference a 2 month old post by the way. There is practically no ASM that isn't available in a bolt on container. Well done.

                      You're also going to need to be a small bit more specific than saying there's a ship 60 miles out to starboard unless you have a hell of a lot of spare rounds. An internal IR database is about as useful as a copy of "Ships Monthly" if you don't put the missile in a 5 mile x 5 mile box.
                      Last edited by Jetjock; 8 March 2017, 01:45.

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                      • NSM

                        Originally posted by Jetjock View Post
                        The NSM is about as bolt on to the referenced ship as the engine. Way to reference a 2 month old post by the way. There is practically no ASM that isn't available in a bolt on container. Well done.

                        You're also going to need to be a small bit more specific than saying there's a ship 60 miles out to starboard unless you have a hell of a lot of spare rounds. An internal IR database is about as useful as a copy of "Ships Monthly" if you don't put the missile in a 5 mile x 5 mile box.
                        The 3.96meter missile with a range up to 185km has GPS aided mid course guidance . It also has Autonomous Target recognition with good target discrimination over sea and land. It would come subject to an accurate detection and guidance system. It is capable of terminal manoeuver to avoid weapon systems at target. It is 407kgs at launch and arrives with 145kgs of explosive. It has been trialed on test ships so it must have been uniquely installed on the Norwegian and US ships by a bolt-on procedure. It is the must have missile for land. air, and Sea platforms. The Polish package for Coast Defence was 123m USD. Cheap for what it does.

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                        • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                          The 3.96meter missile with a range up to 185km has GPS aided mid course guidance . It also has Autonomous Target recognition with good target discrimination over sea and land. It would come subject to an accurate detection and guidance system. It is capable of terminal manoeuver to avoid weapon systems at target. It is 407kgs at launch and arrives with 145kgs of explosive. It has been trialed on test ships so it must have been uniquely installed on the Norwegian and US ships by a bolt-on procedure. It is the must have missile for land. air, and Sea platforms. The Polish package for Coast Defence was 123m USD. Cheap for what it does.
                          So is there any point arguing for ciws with this yoke around ?

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                          • Originally posted by restless View Post
                            So is there any point arguing for ciws with this yoke around ?
                            Absolutely, especially a fully controlled system that continues sustained fire until the target is fragged.

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                            • In terms of potential upgrades of what we have, has there been any thought of the Nexters Narwal or the Reutech Super Sea Rogue 20mm given that they use the same round as our current 20mm mounts?

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                              • The Rhino 202s are only a recent addition to the fleet, so I'd say there's no talk of their replacement just yet.
                                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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