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  • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
    The Rhino 202s are only a recent addition to the fleet, so I'd say there's no talk of their replacement just yet.
    I get that, I was just thinking that in terms of increase the ability to respond to situations in the Med, the auto mounts might be a better option than the manual mounts while still using the same stock of ammo.

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    • Hard to beat Mk1 eyeball though when it comes to split second decision making. Secondaries are not just 2 rhinos, there is also 4 GPMGs, and I think they can still mount HMG if required. Its down to the risk in the area.
      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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      • Rheinnmetall mk 202

        Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
        I get that, I was just thinking that in terms of increase the ability to respond to situations in the Med, the auto mounts might be a better option than the manual mounts while still using the same stock of ammo.
        Our HPV's original secondary armament at commissioning in 1984 included two Rheinnmetall's. I liked their simple blow back system. Glad to see they are back. An Auto Weapon System is useful for accuracy of response. Range is a backyard 1500/2000 metres max. Danger area down target is about 3 times the optimum range.

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        • Eithne never lost them. The other OPVs for a time carried GAMBO, a variation on the Oerlikon, or HMG P&S as secondary but in recent years, all ships have been fitted with Rhein Metall 20mm, though of a slightly different version to those found on Eithne.
          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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          • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
            The Rhino 202s are only a recent addition to the fleet, so I'd say there's no talk of their replacement just yet.
            They may be a recent addition fleet wide but it is also true that they are cast offs from a navy that no longer considered them adequate and replaced them with a stabilized remotely operated weapon of higher caliber.

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            • Originally posted by Jetjock View Post
              They may be a recent addition fleet wide but it is also true that they are cast offs from a navy that no longer considered them adequate and replaced them with a stabilized remotely operated weapon of higher caliber.
              Thats a bit harsh, if factually correct. The German Navy upgraded all their ships to the Mauser MLG27, 27mm Autocannon in 2003 onwards. The RH202 had been fitted to newly built Brandenburg (as secondary)and Elbe class(as primary) vessels in the mid 1990s in advance of the development of the MLG27. On Some other ships they are replacing a Bofors 40mm, just to give an idea of the punch of this secondary weapon. The Sachsen class was delivered as built with MLG27, so it made sense then that there would be commonality across the fleet.
              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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              • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                Thats a bit harsh .
                Unintended..my point being they were bought as an opportunity buy that provided a huge benefit in fleet commonality and filled a gap on the P50's but they should not be looked at as something that couldn't be improved upon just because they were acquired relatively recently. Though a jump in capability, they were considered obsolete by their supplier.

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                • Originally posted by Jetjock View Post
                  Unintended..my point being they were bought as an opportunity buy that provided a huge benefit in fleet commonality and filled a gap on the P50's but they should not be looked at as something that couldn't be improved upon just because they were acquired relatively recently. Though a jump in capability, they were considered obsolete by their supplier.
                  But they were better than a HMG for our purposes, as a very good price, in a country that hates spending money on something that doesn't gain votes.
                  For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                  • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                    Thats a bit harsh, if factually correct. The German Navy upgraded all their ships to the Mauser MLG27, 27mm Autocannon in 2003 onwards. The RH202 had been fitted to newly built Brandenburg (as secondary)and Elbe class(as primary) vessels in the mid 1990s in advance of the development of the MLG27. On Some other ships they are replacing a Bofors 40mm, just to give an idea of the punch of this secondary weapon. The Sachsen class was delivered as built with MLG27, so it made sense then that there would be commonality across the fleet.
                    In any new build programme, weapons will generally be upgraded to improve the fightability of a particular ship. With modernisation weapons tend more and more to be part of an automatic weapons control system. Generally calibers move upwards on the smaller weapons or existing calibers are multi-barrelled as in CIWS. Higher calibers tend to drop to 76mm/100mm , while the stand off ranges are filled in by a variety of missiles types. Our 1 main, 2 secondary, 2 HMG, 4 LMG, with optic/electronic FC for main is a Patrol Lite configuration and leaves defensive/observational gaps in the overall Naval Tasks. We have to face the necessary expenditure to improve our Defence Standards.

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                    • Food for thought.

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                      • Indeed. Many are looking at enhancing the OPV configuration to deal with more aggressive environments. The Israeli's are expanding the SAAR-72 hull to include 76mm plus two auto controlled 30mm and a range of missiles including strike missiles with a range of 72km, all this with speeds up to 30knots, and extended range at lower speeds.

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                        • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                          Indeed. Many are looking at enhancing the OPV configuration to deal with more aggressive environments. The Israeli's are expanding the SAAR-72 hull to include 76mm plus two auto controlled 30mm and a range of missiles including strike missiles with a range of 72km, all this with speeds up to 30knots, and extended range at lower speeds.
                          Those aren't OPV's.

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                          • They have an OPV version.

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                            • About equivalent to the Peacocks....waste of time
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                              • Naval Weaponry

                                Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                                About equivalent to the Peacocks....waste of time
                                Not suggesting we buy them, rather pointing out the amount and range of weaponry the Israeli's are offering for the different variants of the vessel from full corvette to OPV. Looking at the Batch 2 potential upgrades an OPV can be tweaked to take some damage and deal with at least low level combat and shore targets up to the maximum range of the weapon fit. If you slip from Operation Pontus to Operation Sophia or Operation Atalanta, then you really need to upgrade Fleet Comms., tracking , targeting, and weapon choices.

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