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  • #16
    goldie has a point about the boarding party weapons, any bap ive ever handled was fairly well worn.

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    • #17
      I think in a place where CIWS would be overkill,the above weapon would be just plain pointless. Might work on something like an Aircraft carrier or some form of auxiliary,but not much good for fisherys protection...
      Fail to prepare....prepare to FAIL!

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      • #18
        hey I'm famous..... the 20mm Rheinmatall when purchase was stae of the art given the lessons learned from the falklands. the Ganbo had not yet entered service.
        I reconthe best weapon avavilable for boarding parties is the crbine version of the steyr. baps din't have the same effect. Until the army adopts a new side arm The 9mm service pistol is all we have...I would change it for the world.

        whats wrong with the BAP anyway...reliable ...acurate...loads of stopping power..loadsa bullets...everything else is a development of the BAP.
        Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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        • #19
          Any naval vessel needs to have AD weapons, especially the case in Ireland, as the AC has little AD assets.

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          • #20
            The weapon systems currently in use with the service are adequte in a fisherys role and any warship would laugh at us, then use us for target practise.

            That is if they work when you want, the sight of seamen/gunners blank faces on many shoots is not an inspiring one.
            Every thing in the service is well worn a good long look should be given to improving naval gunnery equipment and small arms.

            Its just not funny any more, i had to sit through a leature the other day and endure a NBCD talk that while informative and well persented by the two ordanace officers was pure muck.

            "this is whats out there lads, but dont worry, if anyoff it used you dont have any chemical suits or protection of any kind so you'll be dead before you know it"

            A mericful death no doubt.

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            • #21


              Rhino's being test fired.


              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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              • #22
                very clever but why was it necessary to bring two guns all tjhe way to the Curragh for firing? It couldn't have been cheaper than doing a test firing at sea on a routine patrol.

                regards
                GttC

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                • #23
                  Not really. Weather conditions don't always permit, this time of year, plus you need to do it in the designated areas, keeping the ship away from the routine patrol area. At least, in the location above, you know whats over the horizon. There is no Butt Stop at sea.


                  Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                  • #24
                    Edit...just saw its a test firing.
                    Last edited by Jetjock; 13 October 2012, 17:14.

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                    • #25
                      Where do the empty shells go...couldn't see any being ejected?
                      'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by spider View Post
                        Where do the empty shells go...couldn't see any being ejected?
                        They are collected in a bin to the front of the gun, below the shield.


                        Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                        • #27
                          Could be in the Curragh because of Ordnance?

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                          • #28
                            Nope they have their own ordnance attached in Haulbowline.

                            For courses etc. its handier to be able to fire the guns under such controlled circumstances.

                            As Goldie mentioned weather is a factor , also there may not be a ship available to do a training/qualification shoot.Shooting these ashore is far handier, the RN do it the whole time at Whale Island.

                            Some years ago it was considered firing the old L40/60 training mount from the old gunnery bay with break up shot, but it was reckoned the noise levels would be unaccetable,the mount had a 'rolling' feature fitted and was a great training tool...until the autoloader had to be sacrificed to Deirdre due to a major fcuk up which damaged its gun!
                            Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                            • #29
                              I think Whale Island is a different kettle of fish than mounting a gun on a DROPS platform, tieing up the use of a specialist truck, taking said gun a hundred miles or more from it's home base (where it's trained repairmen are based, and all it's spares) and then firing it in a land-based position that bears no resemblance to a moving ship, not to mind the transport costs and personnel costs, for a hundred mile round trip. As for butt stops not being available at sea, then that logic disallows the use of the main gun. Surely going to Kilworth would save time and money? Apart from that, is it absolutely necessary to fire it with live ammunition, just to prove that it can be cocked, fired, emptied and can train and elevate?

                              regards
                              GttC

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
                                I think Whale Island is a different kettle of fish than mounting a gun on a DROPS platform, tieing up the use of a specialist truck, taking said gun a hundred miles or more from it's home base (where it's trained repairmen are based, and all it's spares) and then firing it in a land-based position that bears no resemblance to a moving ship, not to mind the transport costs and personnel costs, for a hundred mile round trip. As for butt stops not being available at sea, then that logic disallows the use of the main gun. Surely going to Kilworth would save time and money? Apart from that, is it absolutely necessary to fire it with live ammunition, just to prove that it can be cocked, fired, emptied and can train and elevate?

                                regards
                                GttC


                                Test fired in Gormo. only land range (besides the Glen) it can be fired onm from what im told by a Tiffy

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