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  • #46
    How to tie down your CEFO. Part 1
    1/ Replace respirator haversack with one or two utility pouches.

    2/ Turn CEFO on its back so inside of belt is visible.Starting at the left hand ammo pouch,run one of the issue utility straps thru the small loops on the lower back of all the pouches.When you get to the right hand ammo pouch anchor it off,and then loop the strap back thru all the previous tie points.When you get back to the left ammn pouch thread the free end thru the ladderlock buckle.Now pull tight the free end.The cefo ammo pouches should start to curl in towards each other making a "horseshoe " shape.Now try on the cefo and adjust the utility strap until the pouches hug your hips.The ammo pouches should be just behind your hip bones and NOT at your front or rear.

    3/When this is done tape off the free end of the utility strap,now if you have one add your hippo pad.

    4/Next step is to fill the pouches with exactly the load(minus ammoaof course) that you intend to carry.Then starting at the tie loop on the back left of the right hand ammo pouch take a Long thin OG bungee with the hook cut off and weave it around the pouches from right to left,threading the bungee under the part of the plce pouch buckle that is attached to the main body of each pouch(use a pencil to open up a tunnel behind each clip and then feed bungee thru).
    Last edited by apod; 18 April 2009, 14:56.
    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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    • #47
      part 2---

      5/ Keep weaving the bungee around until you get to the tie down loop at the rear right of the left hand ammo pouch.Now pull the bungee tight,and tie it off securely.Tape loose end down if you need too.Finally tape up all loose straps with black(not red or blue or any other colour that shouts look at me!) electrical tape.Your cefo is now ready to wear.

      Points to note.
      Make sure to pack out the pouches BEFORE tightening the bungee otherwise the pouches collapse and it is near impossible to replace items in the pouches once removed ie.waterbottle.

      DONT bring the bungee across the front of the ammo pouches.For the same reason as above.It slows down your mag changing drills.

      Keep your CEFO as light as possible.You are NOT a ranger and you DONT need all the gucci crap.Ammo/water/steel mug/rifle cleaning kit and first aid items are all you need.Everything else goes in the smock or daysack.

      Only double lock your utility poches.NOT the waterbottle pouch ,and NEVER the ammo pouches.You need to be able to get to these quickly!
      Your CEFO should something like this when finished.
      Photo courtesy of mil photos.net
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      Last edited by apod; 18 April 2009, 14:57.
      "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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      • #48
        Hi there
        How about some tips on personal field hygiene and carriage and disposal of personal hygiene kit? As someone said,memorably, on this website, it doesn't take long for people out on exercise to end up looking and smelling like homeless persons.
        regards
        GttC

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        • #49
          Anyone else get the wet dog smell off their smock whenever it gets wet?

          No matter how many times I wash it even a light drizzle will bring it out.
          To close with and kill the enemy in all weather conditions, night and day and over any terrain

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          • #50
            Originally posted by HavocIRL View Post
            Anyone else get the wet dog smell off their smock whenever it gets wet?

            No matter how many times I wash it even a light drizzle will bring it out.
            No. I don't tend to go around hugging "wet dogs" in uniform myself
            "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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            • #51
              Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
              Hi there
              How about some tips on personal field hygiene and carriage and disposal of personal hygiene kit? As someone said,memorably, on this website, it doesn't take long for people out on exercise to end up looking and smelling like homeless persons.
              regards
              GttC
              2 things.... rubber gloves and wipes.

              The wipes are in your ration pack. Doing anything with your hands, use surgical gloves: eating, cleaning rifle, medical etc.

              Wear Surgical gloves while cleaning your rifle to keep the cordite etc. of your hands. Wear them while eating to prevent contamination of your food (Obviously different gloves). Your FFD should be in a small ziplok bag with surgical gloves.

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              • #52
                While the surgical gloves idea is a good one(especially for cleaning weapons)i have never seen anyone do it.Leather gloves yes as they are a help when taking a hot mug off a hexi stove.More on cooking later.
                Field hygiene eh,ok here goes.You need a pack of baby wipes,a folding toothbrush and small tube of paste,a razor and blades and a bar of soap in a plastic dish.Also needed is a small mirror and preferably a quick drying camp towel of sufficient size to dry your body.
                One crib i have always had with our exercises is that they are too short and too rushed.Most of the courses i have been on have been more concerned with "bug out's" in the morning than routine in the field.While this is all well and good,it doesnt teach a recruit anything about how to look after themselves on an extended op.I cant remember the exact % ,but the amount of soldiers lost to disease or infection spread by poor hygiene during time of war can be quite high.
                Every day while on the ground commanders should allow time where possible for troops to look after their hygiene.
                Use the babywipes to wash all the cam cream off your face,Now clean under your arms and privacy allowing your groin area.Talc or footpowder can be used in these areas to absorb sweat.This is not applicable to those on hard routine ie snipers ,recce etc.
                Men must shave at least once every 48 hours if there is a CBRN threat.If you dont you wont get a proper seal with the respirator. contd........
                Last edited by apod; 8 May 2010, 15:41.
                "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                • #53
                  I know some of ye will bitch and moan about this ,but these are the facts.We are not special forces in the depths of the jungle where clean water is in short supply.And so what if you get a small nick while shaving.You wont suddenly develop gangarene!
                  For shaving always use hot water.An obvious thing but you would be suprised how many cut corners on this one.A decent razor (not disposable they are shite) and a bar of antibacterial soap.Now this is where all the youngsters are gonna go WHA??.Use a shaving brush like your grandads to get a lather with the soap and use this on your face.Why not use shaving foam you ask.Ok.its bulky,can only do one job(soap can be used for washing also)and isnt antibacterial.Trust me use the soap.When finish shaving use a baby wipe moistened with a drop of warm water to rinse face off.

                  Now for the other part.This may sound weird at first but has a good reason.Comb (and for the ladies Brush)your hair.I have never seen a shower in a basecamp in Ireland,so it stands to reason that after a few days your hair will be greasy and from sleeping on a forest or trench floor full of shit.A quick comb/brush will eliminate this.Otherwise get a haircut like Russell Crowe in Romper stomper

                  Feet should be checked at every opportunity and socks changed and feet powdered also.You can empty a bottle of foot powder into a double lined(in case it breaks) large ziploc bag .Then when you want to powder them just stick your toe into bag.Never put powder into the boots themselves.It wil get soggy and clump up and form balls and ridges.
                  Last edited by apod; 8 May 2010, 15:43.
                  "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                  • #54
                    These can cause blisters aswell as clogging the pores in goretex boots.
                    Co -locate your powder with the next pair of socks you intend to wear and put dirty laundry into a laundry bag away from clean clothes.Never wear the same pair of socks 2 days running as they will have absorbed sweat.
                    Also have at least one pair of drysocks waterproofed in the bottom of your daysack.Dont use these except in an emegency.ie.getting separated from your pack.Work outta your bergan first.Two pairs of dri flo jocks should be sufficient for a week on the ground in this climate as long as you powder every day.One wet(on you) one dry(in bergan ).Cotton underwear should be avoided as once it is wet it stays wet.This will cause Ire.If you havent been issued driflos or cant afford to buy them.A good alternatve is cycling shorts.
                    We in the PDF used to use these before the driflos came out.Some of us still swear by them.
                    Bottom line is that hygiene is just as important as other drills and commanders at all levels have a responsibility to see it is maintained.
                    Last edited by apod; 18 April 2009, 15:00.
                    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                    • #55
                      Apod how about giving us a run down of what you carry for say a 72 hour ex and where (ie on body, CEFO, CEMO, Rocket Pouches, daysack). We don't need the ammo etc info. Just the stuff for personal admin. While their have been very useful spreads in Connect in the past and their is TM201, it doesn't go into a lot of detail on the type of eg clothing carried.

                      Excellent tips so far keep them coming!!!

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                      • #56
                        Ok dev you asked for it.
                        On body; (all year round,except in very warm weather)Smock.
                        Top right pocket; issue spoon with hole drilled in handle to take idiot cord.
                        lifeboat whistle c/w idiot cord(louder than pea whistle and wetproof)
                        Shemag (if not worn)----------------(I now carry this in my daysack 18/8/07)
                        Top left pocket ; silva type 4 compass(mills and degrees)c/w idiot cord
                        Tac cards and orders book(tam is too bulky so i take out what i need)
                        amn/cas cards
                        waterproof notebook c/w pencils,chinagraphs,stabilo pens,eraser and
                        sharpener.
                        btm right pocket; Fingerless leather gloves.
                        toilet paper(waterproofed)
                        btm left pkt; Issue boonie hat(i have two ,bought one and cut out the lining for
                        summer use)
                        maglight torch c/w red filters and two spare btys(idiot corded)
                        right sleeve pkt; ffd c/w surgical gloves and waterproofed.-----------(ditched the gloves,if wounded they wont think of em in the rush 18/8/07)
                        left sleeve pkt; handiwipes
                        inside pkt; spare trouser twisties/lens cloth(for sights&goggles)
                        Last edited by apod; 18 August 2007, 11:06. Reason: Lessons learned/better way to do things!
                        "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                        • #57
                          Pants pkts; as little as possible as heavy weight on the legs slow your movement.
                          Maps at most.No map cases,just a good ziploc bag.Lighter and easier to use.

                          cefo/combat vest ; ammo etc
                          full water bottle and issue metal mug c/w small ziploc of puritabs.
                          (elastic band around mug handle to stop rattling)
                          rifle cleaning kit(basic oil ,pullthrough etc)
                          small immediate first aid kit(triangular bandages,plasters,tampons etc)
                          petzl taktica headtorch(v.small c/w red filter for writing patrol reports )-----(have moved this to daysack 18/8/07)
                          spare btys for torches and prr(taped in twos by size)-----------(now in daysack)
                          mozzie repellant (lifesystems 100% deet.Issue rep only attracts them!)
                          mozzie head net
                          roll of black electrical tape
                          leatherman
                          spare ffd(waterproofed)
                          gps unit (waterproofed)
                          flexicufs and pw tagsx 2
                          pacecounter tied clipped to left shoulder strap.
                          marconi prr (left shoulder,when issued)
                          spare toilet paper(2 packets in ziploc bag)-----------(daysack now)
                          50 metres of paracord---------------------------(daysack,not needed unless static i.e harbours/ambushes)
                          cyalumes(2 red/two green)for casualties,room clearing etc
                          mini binos.(smaller and lighter than issue ones)
                          small bag of boiled sweets.
                          Last edited by apod; 18 August 2007, 11:09.
                          "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                          • #58
                            shoot and scoot bag(daysack);

                            All mission essential items when not in use i.e nve ,radios ,btys maps etc
                            reserve ammo.
                            goggles(if not on helmet) c/w spare lens)
                            tam part one(in lid pocket)
                            1x spare socks and footpowder(emergency use only)
                            emergency ration/brew kit (tea ,sugar .etc,chocolate 1x boil in the bag and 4 hexi tbs )
                            issue waterproof jacket


                            bag is lined with a dry bag,All items ziplocked.if going on a long patrol from basecamp i pack my camelbak and a cold weather top.

                            bergan;
                            top pkt outer; secatuers,2x sandbags,cyalumes.
                            top pkt inner; wash and shave kit c/w camp towel
                            small polish brush,polish,spare laces,spare twisties.
                            spare torch bty x2
                            any other small items.
                            Last edited by apod; 18 August 2007, 11:11.
                            "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                            • #59
                              main compartment;(lined with drybag)

                              waterproof pants(at btm of pack as seldom used)
                              laundry bag
                              sleeping bag inside bivvi bag(stored in a waterproofed stuff bag)c/w makralon skip cap
                              snugpack sleeka jacket(if not worn)

                              left side pouch;(lined)
                              dpm pants(tropical cos they are lighter)
                              long driflo top and btm(not carried during summer months)
                              driflo shortsx1/driflo t-shirt x1
                              dpm shirt(only worn in basecamp during summer months)
                              5x spare socks and bag of footpowder.
                              spare boonie hat
                              waterproof gloves .

                              right side pouch,
                              large tupperware box to hold 48hrs rations(ration pack stripped down to what i WILL eat)
                              issue thermal mug
                              small gas stove(used to use hexi but too slow)c/w spare lighter in ziploc bag
                              peltors(if not in daysack or worn)

                              behind right side pouch; issue folding entrenching tool in a o.g plce cover.

                              front pouch; issue basha,cords attached/7 metal pegs (wrapped in elastic band to avoid noise).

                              Thats the lot.I know alot of you will ask why pack the spare clothes and
                              rations in the side pouches?Simple.I use my daysack not rockets(too fiddly and small) thus i dont remove them from pack.I can access my spare kit without having to rummage thru everything else.All items are close to hand esp. rations.Also if rations break you dont have food all over your spare kit.You are also keeping soiled clothes away from food you will eat.By doing this i dont need to carry a rocket pouch harness either.It also reduces the height of the main pack thus allowing me to easily stow daysack under lid whilst tabbing.
                              oh i forgot the kipmat is carried as described in one of my previous posts.Body armour when issued and not worn(ON TABS) would be carried under lid also.
                              Last edited by apod; 8 May 2010, 15:45.
                              "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                              • #60
                                Thanks for taking the time.

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