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    I blame the picture above

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    Ah, I didn't notice that.
    My apologies to Mr. G
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    That was funny

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    What Type of Armour is Available to the DF?

    Is the scorpion the only amour available to the defence forces, also is there a main battle tank in use???

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    The Scorpion is the only tracked armour in the DF, you can see more on my site if you like www.geocities.com/irisharmoredvehicles/ .

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    Whalesong,

    For future reference, IDF stands for Israeli Defence Force. When talking about the Irish Defence Forces, you can use DF when talking about the force in general, PDF (Permanent Defence Force) when talking about the regular army & RDF (Reserve Defence Force) when talking about the reserves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ias
    The Scorpion is the only tracked armour in the DF,
    Don't forget the Comets and churchills etc. although I assume Whalesong is referring to operational armour.

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    Wheeled armoured vehicles consists of AML 90, AML 20, and MOWAG Piranha III APC.

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    Dont forget the Sisu...

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    Anyone know the price of a challenger 2?

    was talkin to a mate of mine who is ex british army, he told me about his mate a troop Sgt in the TA, he's got his own tank which i thought was quite a long way from what we reservist get, but anywho some thing was said bout the price of the challenger2- he said it was £60million which is a lot more than i thought (£5million), Does anyone have a more accurate or correct price?
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    You pay 1.5m for what is a pretty basic wheeled APC in the Mowag Piranha. 60 million would be a good guide price for a Charlie 2.

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    thanks goldie
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbocalves View Post
    was talkin to a mate of mine who is ex british army, he told me about his mate a troop Sgt in the TA, he's got his own tank which i thought was quite a long way from what we reservist get, but anywho some thing was said bout the price of the challenger2- he said it was £60million which is a lot more than i thought (£5million), Does anyone have a more accurate or correct price?
    no way is a Chally 2 60million, last time I looked the unit price was something like 5.5 to 6 million
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    If this is the case then we got ripped off with the Mowags....

    Oh wait...

    Never mind.

    In June 1991 the British Government selected the Challenger 2 and placed an order worth £520 million for 127 Challenger 2 MBTs and 13 driver training tanks. Production began in 1993 and the first vehicles were delivered in July 1994.
    £4.1mil in 1994 prices.
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    Google is your friend, children......

    According to http://www.armedforces.co.uk/army/listings/l0023.html a Challenger 2 cost in the region of £4 million sterling in 1999.

    The initial order was 127 MBTs and 13 Driver Training Tanks (DTTs), for £520 million, giving an average cost of £3.71 million per tank (a MBT would be more expensive than a DTT, obviously)

    The second order was 259 MBTs and 9 DTTs for £800 million, a unit price of £2.98 million

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    If this is the case then we got ripped off with the Mowags....

    Oh wait...

    Never mind.
    A SISU costs in the region of 20% what a Mowag does.....

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    According to http://www.armedforces.co.uk/army/listings/l0023.html a Challenger 2 cost in the region of £4 million sterling in 1999.
    4 mill in 99, I'm not too far off then, for 5.5 in 2005/6
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    Works of fiction/Waltering/Dreaming/"We need hovertanks!"

    [MOD: Split from "How much is a Challenger 2?". All fiction, waltering and dreaming goes here from now on]

    so my semi educated guess was nearly right go me so how do other MBT compare in price
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbocalves View Post
    so my semi educated guess was nearly right go me so how do other MBT compare in price
    I think the Abrams is a little more expensive, the Le clerc is about the same as a C2,the Arite is cheaper and the Leopard II is cheapest, but thats mainly because they have sold alot of them, the Type-90 is not for sale and Russian ones are an iffy propostion, they don't keep up spares supply
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    cool, so what about merkava? wheres arite from
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbocalves View Post
    cool, so what about merkava? wheres arite from
    not sure about the Merkava, plus it's going out of production soon, ariete is Italian
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    run down on the Ariete for you TC, http://www.army-technology.com/projects/ariete/
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    As far as i know the merkava is only used by the isrealis. Althought it's far superior to may MBT on the market its weight has lead many forgein nations to lose interest in purchasing them due to the difficultise in deploying them.
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    yep, the onlyreal interest from forign countries was for the Merkava IV, but the Israelis wouldn't sell it,


    btw we could get some very cheap leo 2s now, the Dutch are selling off surplus ones for less then a million each
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