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  • Garda 'Targa' boat


    On the River Liffey a few years ago.

    In use by other police forces below




    Wouldn't be my cup of tea at sea, fine for rivers etc. Far too exposed & shallow draught.

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    • There is one privately owned in Cork and Kinsale. Grand for daytripping/angling. Stick to river/estuary/lakes though.
      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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      • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
        There is one privately owned in Cork and Kinsale. Grand for daytripping/angling. Stick to river/estuary/lakes though.
        Still reckon the ex tyne class RNLI LBs would make excellent patrol boats for the NSR & NS specific security requirements!

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        • Originally posted by Dogwatch View Post
          Still reckon the ex tyne class RNLI LBs would make excellent patrol boats for the NSR & NS specific security requirements!
          But with the Single Force Concept does it still exist?

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          • Originally posted by DeV View Post
            But with the Single Force Concept does it still exist?
            As far as I'm aware, yes. The NSR coys are still working away as normal.

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            • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
              There is one privately owned in Cork and Kinsale. Grand for daytripping/angling. Stick to river/estuary/lakes though.
              From what I've heard the Targa has good seakeeping and being of Nordic extraction is suited to these waters,maybe the operators are not as suited?

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              • Originally posted by danno View Post
                From what I've heard the Targa has good seakeeping and being of Nordic extraction is suited to these waters,maybe the operators are not as suited?
                Its suited to Finnish waters. Not Nordic.
                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                  Its suited to Finnish waters. Not Nordic.
                  Thats much the same as asserting a boat is suited to Italian waters but not suited to the Med.

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                  • Originally posted by danno View Post
                    Thats much the same as asserting a boat is suited to Italian waters but not suited to the Med.
                    Seriously,
                    what kind of bluffer are you? The more you post here the more I wonder were you ever on a boat in your life, let alone a ship.
                    Finland sits in the Baltic.
                    Norway a Nordic country, sits in the North Sea.
                    Here is a map to help you understand. I was going to put up a chart but clearly you would not know what that is.


                    Note Finland (Light Blue) and its sheltered waters, much like a large lake. Note then Norway, a Nordic country, in red, sitting as it is in the North sea. Would you take a boat like that out in the North Sea? Because you are suggesting you would.
                    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                    • So here we are 15 years on, and all NSR motor launches have been decommissioned, with no replacement in sight.
                      Here's an examiner piece from last year.
                      All four Naval Service Reserve (NSR) motor launches have been decommissioned due to their age, while the strength of the back-up force has significantly decreased and is desperately short of young people.

                      Navy reserve loses all four motor launches
                      Monday, August 12, 2019 - 04:03 PM
                      All four Naval Service Reserve (NSR) motor launches have been decommissioned due to their age, while the strength of the back-up force has significantly decreased and is desperately short of young people.

                      The 'establishment' (minimum decreed) strength of the NSR was 675 in 2005.

                      This dropped to 200 during the post-2008 financial crisis and is currently hovering at around 150 effective members. That is half what was recommended and promised in the 2015 White Paper on Defence.
                      "After years of Department of Defence manpower cuts, recruitment embargoes and neglect the NSR is undermanned and has the wrong membership profile," one NSR source said. He estimated it would take up to three years of successful recruitment to reach the 300 figure.
                      The problems being encountered by the NSR means it is not in a position to help plug gaps among the ever-decreasing number of personnel in regular Naval Service, which is haemorrhaging more people than any other branch of the Defence Forces.

                      "The NSR will continue to respond to Naval Service requests for personnel, but there is only so much that a part-time, neglected force with no employment protection in their civilian occupations can contribute," the source said.

                      The other role of the NSR is to provide an armed naval presence in the strategic ports of Dublin, Cork and Foynes and Waterford.
                      NSR personnel used to be equipped with four motor launches for this purpose but they have all been decommissioned because they became unseaworthy due to their age.

                      The Defence Forces press office confirmed the Limerick one was tied up in 2013, those in Waterford and Cork the following year and the Dublin-based one last year.

                      It said the NSR continues to train on Rigid Inflatable-Hull Boats (RIBS), of the type deployed on vessels by the Naval Service. However, the NSR source said RIBs were not ideal for surveillance purposes and offered no protection from inclement weather.
                      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                      • Do the Customs even use the cutter that they have?

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                        • Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
                          Do the Customs even use the cutter that they have?
                          It's actually cutters , two of them , plus it depends on what you mean by "use" .
                          Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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                          • Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
                            Do the Customs even use the cutter that they have?
                            Local gag in Kinsale, when both of the Cutters are missing is "Oh no, the Customs Cutter has been stolen". (because people think there is only one)
                            They are in use. You'll see them in many of Ireland's marina during the summer months.
                            Don't think they would make suitable NSR boats though. The Smaller garda boat (not the Targa or the RIB) would be ideal for purpose. Big enough for crew to shelter from elements, but small enough to be easily transported to where needed by road.
                            Can't find a decent image online.
                            Last edited by na grohmiti; 20 June 2020, 17:58.
                            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                            • Originally posted by Laners View Post
                              It's actually cutters , two of them , plus it depends on what you mean by "use" .
                              I was in Waterford some time ago and one of them was tied up and didnt budge for a week. Now, it may not have been required for duty but it didnt give a good impression by being unattended and silent.

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                              • Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
                                I was in Waterford some time ago and one of them was tied up and didnt budge for a week. Now, it may not have been required for duty but it didnt give a good impression by being unattended and silent.
                                Wait till you hear about the Naval vessels that are tied up for a MONTH!
                                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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