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  • #91
    For more details: http://warships1discussionboards.yuk...nd-IFEP-on-T45

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    • #92
      Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
      The problem is the GE supplied intercooler. They should have stuck to the proven COGOG propulsion system.
      ?? What does the intercooler have to do with IEP? IEP with a reliable prime mover would have worked. The issue is that the prime mover is anything but.

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      • #93
        See page 7 of your link and the details on Project Napier.
        Would love to see them try to refit the D45's with Napier Sabre engines, it nothing else it would make a great sound .

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        • #94
          T 45 and all that.

          Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
          See page 7 of your link and the details on Project Napier.
          Would love to see them try to refit the D45's with Napier Sabre engines, it nothing else it would make a great sound .
          No doubt the "D" class destroyers will have their power gremlins sorted. I hope cutting and stuffing in more generation will not radically alter the ships other parameters such as stability, electrical/transmission environment, and/or loss of wriggle room in living/ work spaces.
          The Royal Navy and Strategic Defence Reviews are having a major effect on ability to cover world wide Defence patrolling or Flag showing as well as national tasks such as Falklands and Carribean. A handful of Destroyers will NOT cover all Theaters, just not enough units. When the CVN's come to be deployed there may not be enough viable Fleet to put a combined Fleet to sea with it's Defence and supply train. You will get more low level work from a few advanced OPV's than one almighty Destroyer. I would recommend reading Nick Child's " Future of Britian's Navy". It's a little bit dated but the genesis of current difficulties are exposed. The final global question is,that there are countries out there with the ability to launch nuclear warheads, and is it safe to allow them think, that we think, they haven't the bottle?

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          • #95
            I'm sure there isn't one of them out there without the "bottle" Ancient.....That's what I think irrespective of what they think about what "we" think.

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            • #96
              Just to put it into perspective, you could get 20 P61's for the price of one Type 45 destroyer.
              If it is about showing the flag this is what counts. I don't see any major air threats in the Caribbean or off the Horn of Africa. This the role is just what a P61 is designed to do.

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              • #97
                For some reason they are deploying Dauntless to the Southern Ocean which could be for some months.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                  Just to put it into perspective, you could get 20 P61's for the price of one Type 45 destroyer.
                  If it is about showing the flag this is what counts. I don't see any major air threats in the Caribbean or off the Horn of Africa. This the role is just what a P61 is designed to do.
                  I agree and disagree - showing the flag is about, literally, showing the flag, which can be done as well by a £50m OPV as by a £1bn AAW destroyer, however it also means 'showing what the flag can do'. A £1bn AAW destroyer does that quite well, as does a USN 100,000 ton Aircraft Carrier - as anyone who's ever seen one in port will attest.

                  You send an OPV and the receiving national says 'thats nice...'. you send an 8,000 ton destroyer and they say ' that is tasty, and decking huge...'. you send a 100,000 ton aircraft carrier and they say 'jesus ****ing Christ, look at the ****ing size of that thing - its bigger than the ****ing Death Star!'

                  Sometimes the size of the envelope is a large part of the message.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                    For some reason they are deploying Dauntless to the Southern Ocean which could be for some months.
                    The FI patrol, it's not the first time a 45 has done the job.

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                    • If the UK started having actual competition and stopped feeding BAe whatever they wanted they might be able to afford more ships.

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                      • Originally posted by Graylion View Post
                        If the UK started having actual competition and stopped feeding BAe whatever they wanted they might be able to afford more ships.
                        Conversely, if the UK didn't buy any ships from BAES for 10 years or so BAES would close the shipyards, make the design teams redundant and then when the UK was looking for bids for its next class of frigates, destroyers or aircraft carriers the only people bidding to design and build them would be foreign yards - meaning that the availability, timescale, cost and capability of those ships would be something within the gift of those foreign government rather than things set by the UK government.

                        At which point, the leech that is the effectively nationalised BAES shipbuilding industry no longer looks quite so bad...

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                        • Well, there are other builders in the UK and other companies to design - BMT for instance. And more ships would support more shipyards - and maybe even exports if stuff all of a sudden is competitively priced.

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                          • Originally posted by ropebag View Post

                            At which point, the leech that is the effectively nationalised BAES shipbuilding industry no longer looks quite so bad...
                            What is so sacred about RN hulls given that a large part of the Uk defence assets are of US origin .

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                            • Originally posted by danno View Post
                              What is so sacred about RN hulls given that a large part of the Uk defence assets are of US origin .
                              In terms of ship building, outside of the SSN/SSBN, what's US origin? The missile systems, Sonar systems, Radar Systems, engines aren't.

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                              • Naval ship building processes

                                Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
                                In terms of ship building, outside of the SSN/SSBN, what's US origin? The missile systems, Sonar systems, Radar Systems, engines aren't.
                                Irrespective of who or where a ship is built , the supply and origin process for all metals , items and systems that go into the ship have to be sourced and approved by RN , MOD, and any security/ fiscal rules emanating from Nato membership, EU membership, and the national entity supplying the service. Then as they begin to obtain the ship bits and bobs they are faced with swingeing costs with bid inflation driving original budgets out of sight.
                                The origin of equipment is determined by availability , first of all , in the Home market, then a Nato/EU supplier, then a non-EU approved supplier if that is the only source. For example when TWT radar was introduced to the RN, it was built in Philips Signaal, and some of it's computerised components came from an electronic company in Galway. Obviously British origin equipments are prioritised but in the end Needs Must dictate.

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