Is the type 31e not based on the hull of the p60?
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Originally posted by na grohmití View PostIs the type 31e not based on the hull of the p60?
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Originally posted by Sparky42 View PostI'd be really surprised if the 31 was in the mix for the USN frigate.Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Well this is interesting, the Type 31e tender has been suspended and will be going through a new procurement competition due to "insufficient Competition".
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Is it that the options put forward weren't up for what the RN wanted? The Price issue? The chances of this getting operational by 2023 seems "doubtful" if the process slips much.
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Originally posted by Sparky42 View PostWell this is interesting, the Type 31e tender has been suspended and will be going through a new procurement competition due to "insufficient Competition".
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Is it that the options put forward weren't up for what the RN wanted? The Price issue? The chances of this getting operational by 2023 seems "doubtful" if the process slips much.CAPITOL HILL – The U.S. Navy is in talks with Australia, Canada and the United Kingdom in the hopes that all four navies will design and field frigates with common combat systems – or at least interoperable ones – the deputy assistant secretary of the Navy for ships told USNI News. Jay Stefany said the four navies have quadrilateral talks every six months, and a recent focus of those talks has been the navies’ upcoming frigate procurement efforts. The U.S. Navy is in the midst of conceptual design work with five companies, ahead of buying the first frigate in Fiscal
The US DoD is now insisting on 5 Eyes interoperability - commonality and the Type 31e was going off on a tangent that was not exactly convincing as viable surface combatant. Maybe they have had the hard word put on them that they must do better.
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Originally posted by Anzac View Posthttps://news.usni.org/2018/07/12/nav...lia-canada-u-k
The US DoD is now insisting on 5 Eyes interoperability - commonality and the Type 31e was going off on a tangent that was not exactly convincing as viable surface combatant. Maybe they have had the hard word put on them that they must do better.
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostIt is all speculation based upon HII not showing a model in Jan, but they have been pushing several versions of the NCS for years and this is suspected to be the bases for their bid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OJZ8eB_mPA
As for the Iver Huitfeldt its diesel engines eliminate it from the race and also the number of STANFLEX modules is limited as their production ended in the 90's. Also as none of the Type31e vessels has been design they are also eliminated as the USN is looking for something based upon a proven hull/system. Why HII would need to take a foreign design given that they are leading US shipbuilder does not make sense.
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Originally posted by Sparky42 View PostThat makes no sense, the RN already has it's own Command systems (and that was one of the issues with the Babcock design), can't see them junking that, more over sticking Aegis on the 31 completely kills the very nature of the design. If this is what's actually happening then I'd bet the 26 gets a couple more orders to bring it up to 10 and the RN shrinks again.
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Originally posted by Anzac View PostNote the Type 31 project has been suspended its nature is over. The RN are getting a look into CEAFAR / CLEARMOUNT which are more synergetic with AEGIS / COMBATSS-21. It does not mean that they should or will dump CMS-1 or the Canadians with CMS330 it means that they will need to evolve it - which they can do. The track the Type 31 as opposed to Type 26 was heading down a pathway as a package done on the cheap would have difficulties networking protocols with other FVEYS allies. They may indeed push out more Type 26's for the RN as they can now leverage greater economies of scale with the RAN and possibly Canada who BAE/LM submitted their proposal today.
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It seems that price was the killer with no one meeting the £250m target price per ship.
https://www.forces.net/news/type-31e...process-paused
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostIt seems that price was the killer with no one meeting the £250m target price per ship.
https://www.forces.net/news/type-31e...process-paused
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Originally posted by Sparky42 View PostYeah the 31 was a cheap package, it was a cheap package as the RN budget can't fund a 1-1 23/26 and that budget isn't going to be getting any bigger, and given that the RAN hulls are being built in Australia how is there going to be economies of scale?
They would have been better served insisting on commonality in design between Type 26 and Type 31 or just buy more Type 26 in the first place
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Originally posted by DeV View PostAnd part of a National Shipbuilding Programme to keep shipyards open
They would have been better served insisting on commonality in design between Type 26 and Type 31 or just buy more Type 26 in the first place
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It seems that they did not have the money, the £1250m for the 5 Type31e vessels was not in the current MoD budget plan.
Strange how it comes just as they announce £2000m for BAe to develop a new fighter!!!!!!
Sadly for the RN it looks like they will shrink again with 8 Type-26s replacing the 13 Type-23s.
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostIt seems that they did not have the money, the £1250m for the 5 Type31e vessels was not in the current MoD budget plan.
Strange how it comes just as they announce £2000m for BAe to develop a new fighter!!!!!!
Sadly for the RN it looks like they will shrink again with 8 Type-26s replacing the 13 Type-23s.
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Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
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