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  • It's all well and good letting reservists help out with relevant needed civvy quals but not if it leaves a PDF chap at home on FIS with his accidental Cobh family searching the back of the couch for some spare change just to survive.
    Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

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    • Originally posted by The real Jack View Post
      It's all well and good letting reservists help out with relevant needed civvy quals but not if it leaves a PDF chap at home on FIS with his accidental Cobh family searching the back of the couch for some spare change just to survive.
      Well let the reservist cover duties at home then so at least the PDF guy on FIS can take his leave.

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      • A reservist should not go in a specific role if a qualified PDF lad for the role wants to go . No argument whatsoever.

        That said :

        Take a Doctor for example. If there is no PDF MO should an RDF one not go . You cannot claim they are trained to a different standard.
        "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

        "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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        • Originally posted by DeV View Post
          Well let the reservist cover duties at home then so at least the PDF guy on FIS can take his leave.
          Probably lose all /part of the FIS for going.

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          • Probably lose all /part of the FIS for going.
            So the answer is not to go ? [ ruling out raising pay ]
            "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

            "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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            • @Toolbox

              I know I rather be treated by the RDF Corporal in Med Sch who is a HSE AP than by a PDF 3* with the UCC Course done (ie an EMT).

              The AP probably sees more trauma in 1 shift than the PDF guy will see in a month.

              Oh and go and see the head of the new DF Physio Service and start slagging off the RDF

              Hopefully I never meet either .... professional

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              • Originally posted by Toolbox View Post
                Eh I used a thing called math to arrive at their pay rates and I fact I made a slight error in recall it's 8 cent more.

                €3.19 per hour.

                That is their rate of pay for a 7 day week in the med.
                Able Rating less than 3 years service.

                474.86 line pay, 19.32 naval pay, 41.57 military service allowance.
                535.75 total which is €3.19 per hour.

                an ordinary rating is even worse. they can be ordinary rates for 7-11 mobths depending on their branch.

                371.15 line pay, 19.32 naval pay.

                390.47 total 2.32 per hour

                All figures before deduction's and tax, actually spotted an error the poor buggers are so badly paid they don't pay to much tax.
                When you think further it is still a better rate than what the RDF get on FTT and way way better tan what the deckies get on FB's.

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                • RDF no increments and 10% less, and no MSA
                  "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                  "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                  • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                    So you would turn down an NSR officer just because they are NSR officers? Even if they may be (a) former NS officers, or (b) Master Mariners in civvy street?

                    Defo.

                    (a) Standard/training/ops change on a regular basis in the NS. A retired officer could not be upskilled in the short pre-deployment phase.
                    (b) Master Mariner the same, not up to correct military standard with no offence intented to NSR. Their training is not up to NS standard, not their fault of course.

                    NSR not being utilised at all at home. Its time that the NS command took steps to ensure that training is improved. FORST maybe could evaluate the units annually through a operational readiness evaluation. Gives the NS Unit OC's goals to aspire to.

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                    • Originally posted by A/TEL View Post
                      Defo.

                      (a) Standard/training/ops change on a regular basis in the NS. A retired officer could not be upskilled in the short pre-deployment phase.
                      (b) Master Mariner the same, not up to correct military standard with no offence intented to NSR. Their training is not up to NS standard, not their fault of course.

                      NSR not being utilised at all at home. Its time that the NS command took steps to ensure that training is improved. FORST maybe could evaluate the units annually through a operational readiness evaluation. Gives the NS Unit OC's goals to aspire to.
                      Lots of ifs & buts there when you consider the deployability of officers back from maternity leave & stints ashore in NBAD, DFHQ, DFTC(C&S) and academic slots. If they are current then so be it.

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                      • Originally posted by danno View Post
                        Lots of ifs & buts there when you consider the deployability of officers back from maternity leave & stints ashore in NBAD, DFHQ, DFTC(C&S) and academic slots. If they are current then so be it.
                        2 years ashore/2 years afloat being a case in point

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                        • Originally posted by A/TEL View Post
                          Defo.

                          (a) Standard/training/ops change on a regular basis in the NS. A retired officer could not be upskilled in the short pre-deployment phase.
                          (b) Master Mariner the same, not up to correct military standard with no offence intented to NSR. Their training is not up to NS standard, not their fault of course.

                          NSR not being utilised at all at home. Its time that the NS command took steps to ensure that training is improved. FORST maybe could evaluate the units annually through a operational readiness evaluation. Gives the NS Unit OC's goals to aspire to.
                          Three NSR officers were recently given NWC's by FOCNS. One of these has completed two recent patrols as OOW including FLEX a couple of weeks ago.

                          The FORST idea is a good one.

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                          • Using nsr assets

                            Originally posted by Sluggie View Post
                            Three NSR officers were recently given NWC's by FOCNS. One of these has completed two recent patrols as OOW including FLEX a couple of weeks ago.

                            The FORST idea is a good one.
                            A from scratch training programme for NSR officers could be an abridged NWC programme concentrating on GPS, Rules of the Road, Lights and Shapes, Bouyage, GMDSS/ Comms., ECDIS, Chartwork, Firefighting, and handling FRC's. Leave astro to a phase 11 course with self study for such a course. An officer with such training could do initially watches such as 8-12 and 12-16 under C/O's supervision.

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                            • I speak under correction but are we short deck officers ?
                              "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                              "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                              • Originally posted by trellheim View Post
                                I speak under correction but are we short deck officers ?
                                Not sure of the break down between Exec & Engr but:

                                39% under establishment for Lt(NS)
                                32% under establishment for S/Lt

                                I have heard that FLR officers has been called up in the last few years

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