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  • Originally posted by DeV View Post
    The TA will accept people living in the south!
    I was talking about people signing up full time not the TA.

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    • Originally posted by kermit
      A.3 Reduce the Reserve Defence Force by two-thirds.
      Please explain to me what the above sentence means.
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      Say NO to violence against Women

      Originally posted by hedgehog
      My favourite moment was when the
      Originally posted by hedgehog
      red headed old dear got a smack on her ginger head

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      • Originally posted by kermit
        Budget.

        It does not refer to boots on the ground.
        This dyslexia is a cnut. I can't see the word budget anywhere in that sentence.
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        Say NO to violence against Women

        Originally posted by hedgehog
        My favourite moment was when the
        Originally posted by hedgehog
        red headed old dear got a smack on her ginger head

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        • the RDFRA said
          "The Reserve Defence Force budget represents only 1% of the defence budget while giving the nation a capacity to increase its defence personnel assets by 7,200 (a 70% increase) in times of need."

          does the RDFRA actually believe that - and over what timeframe - and worse, does the DoD/PDF believe that?

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          • Originally posted by kermit
            Consider what the report is. It is not a White Paper on Defence. From the same paragraph, of which you seem to insist on quoting the title of, and ignoring the actual description.
            Consider what that sentence says. It is not written in hieroglyphics, it doesn't mention budgets and it's as vague as the Fifth Commandment.

            What the rest of the paragraph says contradicts the opening sentence so basically the cheeseparing civilians can do one, the other or both as they see fit.
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            Say NO to violence against Women

            Originally posted by hedgehog
            My favourite moment was when the
            Originally posted by hedgehog
            red headed old dear got a smack on her ginger head

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            • Originally posted by ropebag View Post
              the RDFRA said
              "The Reserve Defence Force budget represents only 1% of the defence budget while giving the nation a capacity to increase its defence personnel assets by 7,200 (a 70% increase) in times of need."

              does the RDFRA actually believe that - and over what timeframe - and worse, does the DoD/PDF believe that?
              I notice that they also said

              The Reserve Defence Forces Representative Association have reacted angrily at the recommendations by "An Board Snip Nua" to cut RDF numbers by two thirds.
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              Say NO to violence against Women

              Originally posted by hedgehog
              My favourite moment was when the
              Originally posted by hedgehog
              red headed old dear got a smack on her ginger head

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              • Fifth Commandement is exceptionally clear

                whereas the sixth is always problamatic

                why wouldnt you honour your father and your mother
                Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                Are full of passionate intensity.

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                • Right, quotes from the Report:

                  Th
                  e Group has also identified scope for a structural change in the Reserve Defence Force involving a reduction of at least 4,900 members.
                  It is recommended that the allocation for the Reserve Defence Force be reduced by two-thirds which will yield savings of €5.6m
                  and a reduction in the overall numbers associated with the RDF of 4,900.

                  As well as barracks, the Defence property portfolio consists of a diverse range of facilities including 8 training facilities (accounting for 16,800 acres), 7 firing ranges (1,091 acres) and 26 Reserve
                  Defence Force premises (22 acres) as well as renting 51 properties for the Reserve Defence Forces.
                  The D/Defence has identified 33 properties for disposal at an aggregated estimated value of €51.2m.

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                  • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                    Right, quotes from the Report:

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                    I know. And despite all the self-delusion, prevarication and wishful thinking by yourself and Kermit that first line still says in no uncertain terms

                    Reduce the Reserve Defence Force by two-thirds.
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                    Say NO to violence against Women

                    Originally posted by hedgehog
                    My favourite moment was when the
                    Originally posted by hedgehog
                    red headed old dear got a smack on her ginger head

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                    • The effective strength is approx 7000
                      2/3 of 7000 = 4666 (very close to 4900)

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                      • Jeez, both of you two should get a room and work it out.

                        Reduce the Reserve Defence Force by 2/3 would leave a 'Reserve' if you want to be absurd about it and remove two words.

                        However, it comes down to cuts of one, some, or all of :
                        Establishment Strength
                        Actual Strength ,
                        Vote Subhead for RDF Pay
                        Parading Locations { RDF Halls and the like }
                        Cadre Establishment and Cadre Allowance

                        { no account taken of reductions in equipment }

                        So GH a 2/3 Reduction : What's that imply to you ?
                        "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                        "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                        • there will be cuts but lets face it when in 10 -20 yrs time when Ireland is back in the celtic tiger mode 2 again and buying houses/ boxes for a million , and APCs for a million and all the fancy bits of kit at least with abit of luck the Equitation school will be well and truely gone , Horses barbaqued and eaten , some practical solutions to save a few bob .. set up an ammo reloading facility for all practice ammo, create jobs and save on ammo costs , and improve soldiers understaning of ballistics, sell all officers swords to antique dealers, bar owners etc, ( they can stick them up on the wall beside the pikes) , reduce the no of officers, get rid of Sam Browne belts and No I uniforms, think about buying east european (or even China ) equipment, ( small arms in particular) and I am sure the US will offer us a bunch of weapons for next to nothing, Consider a military pact with Russia or China, bases in Shannon etc and I am sure the yanks would pay for the entire army,
                          Just a few wacky ideas

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                          • What the report proposes with regard to the RDF is, all this is in the report:

                            More usable reserve - not a bad thing!
                            Reduction in size (I'm presuming strength but it could be establishment, by at least 4,900)
                            Cuts in parading locations
                            Major drastic cuts in the size of cadre
                            Cuts in mandays & other budgets (by 2/3)
                            Priority given to the VFM report on the RDF
                            Major structural reform (ie another reorg)

                            In themselves most of these things are not a bad thing in the long run and will lead to a more productive reserve, however mandays will be the key to having a more usable (and therefore must be better trained) reserve.

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                            • Well if you have 4900 less, you won't need as many mandays...


                              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                              • Reduce the Reserve Defence Force by two-thirds
                                .

                                means exactly what it says..but is a little ambiguous in relation to what the reduction should be in.

                                Size?

                                Height?

                                Weight?

                                Numbers?
                                Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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