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  • Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
    in my sub-unit, only 20% of us are ex-Regular and 50% of them have come in from a different capbadge.

    the £10K ex-Regular to Reserve bonus is a nice sweetener, as is the instant highest band tax-free bounty.
    Are there any retraining/college schemes for regs to res and do such regs get to hold onto barracks quarters whilst in res?

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    • Originally posted by danno View Post
      Could start with public service staff and see how it goes.
      Well Civil Servants have had it for 35 years!


      HSE have the same

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      • Thats for camp & courses,doesnt cover extended LOA for os deployments,speaking of which,dont certain public cohorts get LOA for APSO gigs.

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        • Yes but overseas won't/shouldn't come until standards and numbers improve

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          • Originally posted by DeV View Post
            Yes but overseas won't/shouldn't come until standards and numbers improve
            Chicken and egg situation here. How do you sell the reserve to young, motivated professionals in their early 20's-30's if they cannot see a tangible value/return for the time they invest. Lets be honest fresh faced 17/18 year olds who go to college after recruit training, in most cases never to be seen again make good numbers on the books, but only fuel the problem in the long run.
            What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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            • True but their is absolutely no need to send the vast majority of the RDF overseas

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              • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                True but their is absolutely no need to send the vast majority of the RDF overseas
                Agreed. But there does need to be an operational role, and a tangible return for the time invested by the reservist.
                What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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                • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                  True but their is absolutely no need to send the vast majority of the RDF overseas
                  Well, maybe not all at the same time...
                  'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                  'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                  Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                  He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                  http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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                  • Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
                    Well, maybe not all at the same time...
                    Well there are less than 420 overseas at the moment (approx 50 of them (probably all officers) are in longer term appointments of 12 months). Then if Ireland is a member of an EU battlegroup you can add approx 180 to that.

                    There are 9500 in the PDF (AC & NS go overseas too).

                    There is therefore max 6% of the PDF overseas at any 1 time, absolute max 18% if you take into account form up and leave but realistically your probably talking around 10%.

                    Factor in the pay cuts (so lads want to get overseas to get more money) and the fact that most other ranks have to go overseas x amount of time in order to renew their contracts.


                    The pinch points are likely to be the likes of drivers, mechanics, engineers & tradesmen, IT personnel and medics.

                    There are plenty of jobs at home that RDF personnel could assist with:
                    Medics (and MOs) could do pre-meds and medicals at weekends
                    Drivers could do duty driver, assist on ops, ATCA, ATCP etc
                    Duty sparks etc
                    Setting up camps for ex's etc
                    Specialist guidance for IT, enginerring works etc
                    Duties etcc
                    Last edited by DeV; 11 February 2015, 13:31.

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                    • So there would be plenty of "back-office" type tasks for RDF? Of course, although vital, they might not have the same pull as an overseas tour. Mind you, I can see your point about the PDF (for whom it is the day-job, after all) not being keen on the day-boys doing the good stuff while the PDF get to do stag on a barracks.
                      Last edited by Flamingo; 11 February 2015, 14:30.
                      'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                      'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                      Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                      He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                      http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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                      • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                        Well there are less than 420 overseas at the moment (approx 50 of them (probably all officers) are in longer term appointments of 12 months). Then if Ireland is a member of an EU battlegroup you can add approx 180 to that.

                        There are 9500 in the PDF (AC & NS go overseas too).

                        There is therefore max 6% of the PDF overseas at any 1 time, absolute max 18% if you take into account form up and leave but realistically your probably talking around 10%.

                        Factor in the pay cuts (so lads want to get overseas to get more money) and the fact that most other ranks have to go overseas x amount of time in order to renew their contracts.


                        The pinch points are likely to be the likes of drivers, mechanics, engineers & tradesmen, IT personnel and medics.

                        There are plenty of jobs at home that RDF personnel could assist with:
                        Medics (and MOs) could do pre-meds and medicals at weekends
                        Drivers could do duty driver, assist on ops, ATCA, ATCP etc
                        Duty sparks etc
                        Setting up camps for ex's etc
                        Specialist guidance for IT, enginerring works etc
                        Duties etcc
                        all of the above plus overseas, would be done if there was employment protection IMO.
                        "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
                        "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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                        • The only employment protection show in town is for regulars as set out in Dev's post above.

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                          • Originally posted by danno View Post
                            The only employment protection show in town is for regulars as set out in Dev's post above.
                            Regulars????

                            We don't need employment protection, we need say an additional 3-4 days unpaid annual leave for those who complete annual training / a course. Subject to min 1 month notice from the DF, agreement of employer, certification of attendance by DF. That would give an actual benefit, I could for example do a 2 week minibus course, using my 3 day unpaid RDF leave (employer saves 3 days wages) and 7 days annual leave.

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                            • That is wrong; employment protection is needed. There is no serious benefit unless you can qualify in something the DF needs (a long course ) or come prequalified/( or pre-experienced, for those fields where no formal qual exactly matches, like IT )
                              "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                              "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                              • And Black berets for all ... just out apparently.
                                "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                                "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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