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  • #91
    Did someone mention Cessna replacement?

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    • #92
      Refurbished Mexican (PC9M out of production)

      As reported exclusively here  by Flying in Ireland, the Air Corps is to receive an attrition replacement for Pilatus PC-9M, ‘265’, which was written off, following a fatal crash at Crumlin East, Cornamona, Connemara, Co. Galway, just over seven years ago, on 12th October 2009. In written reply to D

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      • #93
        Jim has one thing wrong: The PC-9M is still in production. Royal Jordanian AF have 9 on order as of last year.
        Last edited by Jetjock; 13 November 2016, 21:41.

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        • #94
          Just to confirm, it is one of the leased Mexican pair, returned no doubt, because they have a wall to build....
          "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
          Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
          Illegitimi non carborundum

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          • #95
            they returned them because they got Beech T6 II instead.

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            • #96
              We are not getting the Mexican PC-9M, it isn't for sale. Jordan have cancelled their PC-9M order and are getting 8 PC-21 instead.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Claudel Hopson View Post
                We are not getting the Mexican PC-9M, it isn't for sale. Jordan have cancelled their PC-9M order and are getting 8 PC-21 instead.
                My mistake for listening to an officer, what is the origin of this specie so?
                "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
                Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
                Illegitimi non carborundum

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Turkey View Post
                  My mistake for listening to an officer, what is the origin of this specie so?
                  How do we use the Pilatus? Does it have a Close Air Support role or can it be fitted for such a role? I see US forces are over the moon with the capability of the Tucano, both range and loiter time and weapons loads. Why do we just require aircraft to train fliers, perhaps the Air Corps and other Services should maximise all equipment to add to the Military cutting edge.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                    How do we use the Pilatus? Does it have a Close Air Support role or can it be fitted for such a role? I see US forces are over the moon with the capability of the Tucano, both range and loiter time and weapons loads. Why do we just require aircraft to train fliers, perhaps the Air Corps and other Services should maximise all equipment to add to the Military cutting edge.
                    because the role of the AC is not to provide aviation support to the rest of the DF and carry out stand alone airpower doctrine, its to be a publicly funded flying school for people who want to fly airliners?

                    the PC-9M is not CAS capable and can't be without lots of money being spent on its surveilance and targeting systems, its weapons systems and its DAS. it would also need a rebuild to put some armour around the engine and Cockpit, and it might need a more powerful engine to carry all that around...

                    to put the PC-9M's 'capabilities' in perspectives, i'm a NATO qualified JTAC - a Forward Air Controller - and i've undertaken that role in Iraq and Afghanistan. a FW aircraft with no designation system, firing unslaved .50 pod-mounted guns and unguided 2.75 inch rockets would not have been allowed to engage a ground target of any type, regardless of how far it was from any friendlies or CIVPOP, under any circumstances, even in the worst days of Helmand Province in 2006.

                    apparently however, it would be fine to use it outside Monaghan should PIRA re-emerge...

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                    • That's it in a nutshell. Either fight a modern war or fight the 1942 war. The PC-9s are tokenism as combat aircraft....the IRA can come and go as they please, as always.

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                      • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                        How do we use the Pilatus? Does it have a Close Air Support role or can it be fitted for such a role? I see US forces are over the moon with the capability of the Tucano, both range and loiter time and weapons loads. Why do we just require aircraft to train fliers, perhaps the Air Corps and other Services should maximise all equipment to add to the Military cutting edge.
                        The PC9s have a limited CAS capability (being that they used unguided rockets and MGs pods). And have been exercised in the role.

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                        • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                          The PC9s have a limited CAS capability (being that they used unguided rockets and MGs pods). And have been exercised in the role.
                          and how close were the nearest friendly troops - or CIVPOP - when this close air support training took place?

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                          • Originally posted by ropebag View Post
                            and how close were the nearest friendly troops - or CIVPOP - when this close air support training took place?
                            over the hill and far away

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                            • Originally posted by ropebag View Post
                              and how close were the nearest friendly troops - or CIVPOP - when this close air support training took place?
                              You said it couldn't be used regardless of distance

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                              • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                                You said it couldn't be used regardless of distance
                                i saId it wouldn't be used by any organisation with the faintest understanding of CAS...

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