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  • Originally posted by Fantasia View Post
    WTE is the strength less anyone on unpaid leave such as career breaks etc.

    It does include those on sick leave etc.

    As for strength vs establishment, every single individual soldier has a gazette appointment. It is managed at unit and Bde level.
    Really? Then why is there still a "General List" in effect?

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    • Really? Then why is there still a "General List" in effect?
      or SWA .... I was going to say !
      "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

      "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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      • Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post
        Really? Then why is there still a "General List" in effect?
        That's a very good point. Love to hear the answer to that.
        "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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        • Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post
          Really? Then why is there still a "General List" in effect?
          There is a general list but that is for officers. NCOs and Ptes are not on a General List.

          Any surplus Ptes in a unit are quashing an appointment elsewhere. Most units have NCO deficiencies. Go to a Bn parade and see 40 Ptes being paraded by a Cpl.

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          • Yes indeed but that still does not rule out serving without appointment. There are still a ton in the RDF for example.
            "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

            "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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            • I was talking PDF, should have clarified

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              • Department of Defence
                Defence Forces Data
                Photo of Jack ChambersJack Chambers (Dublin West, Fianna Fail)
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                30. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the number serving in each rank in the Army in tabular form. [46235/18]

                Photo of Jack ChambersJack Chambers (Dublin West, Fianna Fail)
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                31. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the number serving in each rank in the Air Corps in tabular form. [46236/18]

                Photo of Jack ChambersJack Chambers (Dublin West, Fianna Fail)
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                32. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the number serving in each rank in the Naval Service in tabular form. [46237/18]

                Photo of Paul KehoePaul Kehoe (Wexford, Fine Gael)
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                I propose to take Questions Nos. 30, 31 and 32 together.

                The whole time equivalent strength of the Army, Naval Service and Air Corps (as of 30 September 2018, the latest date for which figures are available) across each rank is set out in the following table:

                Rank Army Naval Service Air Corps
                Lieutenant General 1 0 0
                Major General 2 0 0
                Brigadier General 6 1 1
                Colonel 34 2 2
                Lieutenant Colonel 104 14 12
                Commandant 252 51 38
                Captain 268 47 42
                Lieutenant 150 51 27
                Sergeant Major 27 6 6
                Battalion Quartermaster Sergeant 31 7 4
                Company Sergeant 106 70 51
                Company Quartermaster Sergeant 152 11 14
                Sergeant 824 161 99
                Corporal 1,169 140 122
                Private 3,972 439 266
                Cadet 149 22 36
                Total 7,247 1,022 720
                There is ongoing recruitment to the Defence Forces.

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                • Written answers
                  Tuesday, 6 November 2018
                  Department of Defence
                  Defence Forces Personnel Data
                  Photo of Tommy BroughanTommy Broughan (Dublin Bay North, Independent)
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                  133. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the number of Defence Forces cadets who graduated in each of the past two years; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [45863/18]

                  Photo of Paul KehoePaul Kehoe (Wexford, Fine Gael)
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                  The details requested by the Deputy are set out in the following table:

                  Year No. of Cadets Commissioned
                  2016 35
                  2017 40
                  This year, a total of 88 cadets have been commissioned. This includes 6 Air Corps Officers who received their commissions on Friday 2 November 2018.

                  Recruitment to the Commissioned Ranks continues, and in that regard, the 95th cadet class was inducted on 24 September 2018, comprising of 86 cadets who will receive their commissions in early 2020. Two commissioning ceremonies are planned for early 2019, one in February and the other in March.

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                  • Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post
                    Written answers
                    Tuesday, 6 November 2018
                    Department of Defence
                    Defence Forces Personnel Data
                    Photo of Tommy BroughanTommy Broughan (Dublin Bay North, Independent)
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                    133. To ask the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the number of Defence Forces cadets who graduated in each of the past two years; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [45863/18]

                    Photo of Paul KehoePaul Kehoe (Wexford, Fine Gael)
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                    The details requested by the Deputy are set out in the following table:

                    Year No. of Cadets Commissioned
                    2016 35
                    2017 40
                    This year, a total of 88 cadets have been commissioned. This includes 6 Air Corps Officers who received their commissions on Friday 2 November 2018.

                    Recruitment to the Commissioned Ranks continues, and in that regard, the 95th cadet class was inducted on 24 September 2018, comprising of 86 cadets who will receive their commissions in early 2020. Two commissioning ceremonies are planned for early 2019, one in February and the other in March.
                    Is that the large classes being commissioned?

                    The NS & AC take longer but that’s a lot of drop outs

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                    • I assume you read the part about 88 cadets commissioned this year 2018?

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                      • Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post
                        I assume you read the part about 88 cadets commissioned this year 2018?
                        I did

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                        • The Defence Forces are 700 short of the target of 9,500 staff
                          The Department of Defence has saved more than €166m in military pay over the past seven years by not reaching the Defence Forces’ target staffing level.

                          The savings have been used to buy military equipment such as naval vessels, aircraft, vehicles and weapons, and to top up the Defence Forces’ pension fund which was in deficit in the first half of the decade.

                          Pay savings of between €20m and €30m a year — equivalent to between 5% and 7.5% of military payroll — result from the inability to retain personnel that has dogged the armed services in recent years, as experienced officers and other ranks leave for the private sector.

                          The strength of the Defence Forces is about 8,800 at present, 700 short

                          The Department of Defence has saved more than €166m in military pay over the past seven years by not reaching the Defence Forces’ target staffing level.The savings have been used to buy military equipment such as naval vessels, aircraft, vehicles and weapons, and to top up the Defence Forces’ pensio

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                          • 103. Deputy Bernard J. Durkan asked the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the degree to which he remains satisfied regarding the strength of the Army, Naval Service and Air Corps, with particular reference to ensuring the maintenance of recommended levels of strength throughout all branches; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [48631/18]
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                            107. Deputy Bernard J. Durkan asked the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence the number of vacant posts remaining to be filled at all levels in the Army, Naval Service and Air Corps; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [48635/18]
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                            Written answers (Question to Defence)

                            Minister of State at the Department of Defence

                            I propose to take Questions Nos. 100, 103 and 107 together.
                            The following table sets out the current strength (as of 31 October 2018, the latest date for which figures are available from the Defence Forces) in whole time equivalent of the PDF across all services and ranks.
                            Service Strength (WTE) Establishment
                            Army 7236 7520
                            Air Corps 709 886
                            Naval Service 993 1094
                            The Government remains committed to returning to, and maintaining, the agreed strength of the Permanent Defence Force at 9,500 personnel as set out in the White Paper on Defence (2015).
                            In order to achieve this target, there are significant recruitment opportunities available in the Permanent Defence Force, at both enlisted and officer level, for eligible individuals who wish to have a rewarding and positive career in service to the State. The Permanent Defence Force continues to offer excellent career opportunities for serving personnel and for new entrants. Two general service recruitment campaigns, an officer cadetships competition, a competition for Air Corps apprentices, a competition for DF School of Music instrumentalists and the 2018 RDF recruitment campaigns all took place this year.
                            A second general service recruitment campaign, launched on 10 September 2018 and closed on 7 October 2018, attracted 2,111 applications. Successful applicants from this campaign will be inducted early in 2019.
                            Some 600 personnel have been inducted to date in 2018. Final figures for numbers inducted in 2018 will not be available unitl year end. Recruitment progress will be reviewed in the coming weeks and this will inform future plans
                            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                            • Part of the problem is that the ECF establishment isn’t enough to do the job (even with 2 Bdes)

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                              • I find it disingenuous that the "minister" would include the recruitment of musicians as part of his plans to deal with the staff shortages in the Defence forces.
                                As if the two extra flute players will assist the guys pulling three duties a week.
                                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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