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    Hey there,

    I am a miniature wargamer looking to re-create a IDF army list for scenarios in tabletop gaming, so just have a few questions surrounding some the vehicles of the mid 80s.

    Firstly, when did the Scorpions receive their co axial GPMG's? I can find pictures from the early 80s that show the .50 cal on the command vehicle but i can only found 1990s+ images of scorps with the GPMG's mounted.

    Secondly what transport did the ranger wing use in the mid 80s? I've heard the Land Rover 110XD WMIK but also heard that this may of been used only in Liberia and was mission dependent, what generally would of been the transport for them?

    And last speaking for transports in general, how was the crew selected for transports like the Panhard M3 or timoney apc? where these selected from the squads themselves which dismounted with the rest of the section or were they dedicated crew that stayed onboard?

    Any replies will be much appreicated!
    Cheers.

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    What is your understanding of "co-axial"? Your question about this is confusing.
    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
      What is your understanding of "co-axial"? Your question about this is confusing.


      The GPMG thats mounted on top here

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      • #4
        Originally posted by TheCount View Post
        Hey there,

        I am a miniature wargamer looking to re-create a IDF army list for scenarios in tabletop gaming, so just have a few questions surrounding some the vehicles of the mid 80s.

        Firstly, when did the Scorpions receive their co axial GPMG's? I can find pictures from the early 80s that show the .50 cal on the command vehicle but i can only found 1990s+ images of scorps with the GPMG's mounted.

        Secondly what transport did the ranger wing use in the mid 80s? I've heard the Land Rover 110XD WMIK but also heard that this may of been used only in Liberia and was mission dependent, what generally would of been the transport for them?

        And last speaking for transports in general, how was the crew selected for transports like the Panhard M3 or timoney apc? where these selected from the squads themselves which dismounted with the rest of the section or were they dedicated crew that stayed onboard?

        Any replies will be much appreicated!
        Cheers.
        Co axial weapon being that which is fitted along side the main weapon, in this case the MAG 80 fitted in tandem to the 76mm on the CVRT, the additional turret mounted weapon being a MAG 58 mounted in the mid 80s. the > 5 mouinted on trp command Vehicles in the aerly 90s didn't last as it raised the profile of the vehicle.

        ARW didn't use an armed vehicles other than VLRA ACMATS in UNISOM until the deployment of the WMIK in Liberia, which were actulally Dutch owned vehicles and were promptly returned after the were deemed unstable after the tragic death of Sgt Derek Mooney, ARW


        The APC crews were selected from qualified personel, witha requirement for AF154 'S' for drivers and a APC commanders course for commanders. Usually from the Bn to which to the vehicle was deployed . AF154 'S' courses would have been a speciality in infantry units. The majority of the Timoney APC were deployed by 1st Tank Squadron, so a 154 'S and a commanders course would be fairly generic within a Cavalry unit.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
          Co axial weapon being that which is fitted along side the main weapon, in this case the MAG 80 fitted in tandem to the 76mm on the CVRT, the additional turret mounted weapon being a MAG 58 mounted in the mid 80s. the > 5 mouinted on trp command Vehicles in the aerly 90s didn't last as it raised the profile of the vehicle.

          ARW didn't use an armed vehicles other than VLRA ACMATS in UNISOM until the deployment of the WMIK in Liberia, which were actulally Dutch owned vehicles and were promptly returned after the were deemed unstable after the tragic death of Sgt Derek Mooney, ARW


          The APC crews were selected from qualified personel, witha requirement for AF154 'S' for drivers and a APC commanders course for commanders. Usually from the Bn to which to the vehicle was deployed . AF154 'S' courses would have been a speciality in infantry units. The majority of the Timoney APC were deployed by 1st Tank Squadron, so a 154 'S and a commanders course would be fairly generic within a Cavalry unit.
          Lovely answer thanks mate,

          So these APC crews and commanders would of stayed onboard while the rest of the section dismounted?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by TheCount View Post
            Lovely answer thanks mate,

            So these APC crews and commanders would of stayed onboard while the rest of the section dismounted?
            yes

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            • #7
              Originally posted by TheCount View Post
              Lovely answer thanks mate,

              So these APC crews and commanders would of stayed onboard while the rest of the section dismounted?
              The methodology given over to the deployment of troops from APCs, their was a requirement to withdraw the vehicles as soon as the mounted section had deployed.

              APCs of the Unimog or AML M3 VTTs are just that Armourmed Personel Carriers as opposed to Armoured Fighting vehicles, A far cry from the Infantry Fighting vehicles such as Bradley and Warrior. Primarily the Irish army is an infantry force with various support arms , such as artillery , cavalry, signals etc.


              There isn't an armoured element that operates independant will Cavalry tasked with Recce for each of the brigades as its primary tasking. Cavalry being made up of traditional elements such as light fast vehicles capable of defending themselves or providing limited fire support but not equipped well enough to be used in an offensive capacity.
              Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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