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  • RGJ the point is to insert the sf/whatever boarding team to be picked up by a friendly ship and then move from new mothership to target vessel by rhib/helo. Saves the need to pick them up in port.
    Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

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    • Originally posted by CTU View Post
      http://www.flickr.com/photos/dfmagaz...57623615393723

      Who needs a NBT with an MP5 when you have the ARW
      Looks like a nice calm day in Dublin Bay.

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      • Originally posted by Flintstone View Post
        Is that a criticism of Irish boarding parties? It is the Irish position that infantry assault rifles in the narrow confines of a ship, boat or yacht are not the optimum weapon. The pistol is easier to use and doesn't have the range to travel through several bulkheads, hitting God knows who.
        They'll learn.

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        • Originally posted by sofa View Post
          They'll learn.
          They have learnt.


          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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          • Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
            They have learnt.
            Apologies, I posted that one badly. I was referring to others not to long in the boarding game.

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            • Very interesting joint EUNAVFOR deployment - Dutch L801 HNLMS Johan de Witt & NH90, with the Swedes contributing 2x CB90's & 2x A-109's.




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              • How can they function as an effective military force with those BEARDS! :P
                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                • Counter piracy

                  Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                  Air dropping wettable military near the mother ship for further recovery, briefing, and redeployment, I presume to arrest pirates, seems to be a step too far but maybe good for the optics. Generally a naval surface unit of 40/50 crew will muster their own fast craft and boarding parties. Initially, from Naval Base, on such a task, I would augment the crew with extra hands to cover a two boat deployment in theater.
                  The Somali pirates use, as already outlined, RPG's, and automatic weaponry. The optimum range for the RPG is inside 300 meters so the merchant ship under attack must present as small a target area as possible and try to keep the attacking craft at bay with a weapon capable of engaging effectively at 1000 yards. He will call for Naval assistance. Most naval craft will be well armed with HMG's, Miniguns, and 30mm fire controlled weapons. The pirate may give up at this stage which will require the naval unit to take prisoners and dispose of their pirating equipment. This is where the headache begins to solve the chain of due process ie. arrest, charge, trial etc. The French have been recently instructed by an International Court to compensate Somali Pirates for delayed due process. I would be in favour of summary justice by photographing, finger printing, pirate crews, then strip their boats of weapons, grapples, and give them enough fuel and food to reach nearest port and send them on their way.

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                  • Why not just give them a fishing line, desalination kit and a pair of oars, stripping the boat of everything else.
                    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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                    • Make them walk the plank.
                      "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
                      "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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                      • Adopt the Russian approach, ie, destroy all bar one boat, cram them all aboard with a modest quantity of water and Russian rations and point them in the direction of Somalia.......from a good distance out, of course...;-)

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                        • From the Examiner article on the gift to Malta, it's suggested that it will be a navy ship being sent to Africa:http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...ta-313305.html
                          Meanwhile, the Naval Service looks poised to send ships to the Horn of Africa as part of an EU anti-piracy mission.

                          The Department of Defence confirmed that initial work on a contribution by Ireland to the EU maritime mission, Operation Atalanta, is being undertaken.

                          It is likely that the Naval Service would send one of its newer ships out to the north-east coast of Africa, where Somali pirates in particular have reeked havoc with commercial shipping.

                          The EU launched Operation Atalanta in December 2008 in response to the rising levels of piracy in the Western Indian Ocean.

                          Incidents of piracy have fallen recently from a peak in 2011 when Somali pirates launched attacks on an almost daily basis, sometimes holding cargo and crew hostage for huge ransoms.

                          A number of the ships were heading for Europe with important cargoes.

                          The EU decided to act to protect economic interests and vessels operating the World Food Programme in Somalia.

                          It is expected that Irish vessels sent to the Horn of Africa would typically work two-week patrols with three days off over a three-to-four-month period.

                          The Naval Service will shortly be back up to full strength after losing two of its eight vessels for a number of months due to asbestos contamination.

                          The new €50m LÉ James Joyce is due to be delivered to the Navy around St Patrick’s weekend.

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                          • Just saw this on the Examiner.........

                            "Meanwhile, the Naval Service looks poised to send ships to the Horn of Africa as part of an EU anti-piracy mission.

                            The Department of Defence confirmed that initial work on a contribution by Ireland to the EU maritime mission, Operation Atalanta, is being undertaken.

                            It is likely that the Naval Service would send one of its newer ships out to the north-east coast of Africa, where Somali pirates in particular have reeked havoc with commercial shipping."

                            The Government is to gift one of its Naval Service ships to the Maltese to help them cope with the ongoing refugee crisis in the Mediterranean and is planning to deploy Irish ships on an EU anti-piracy missions off Somalia.

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                            • I'd read that as up to a vessel

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                              • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                                I'd read that as up to a vessel
                                In reality two units allowing for transits.working up and refits.

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