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  • #31
    The question of the day.

    "How does a state-of-the-art Navy destroyer -- equipped with multiple radar systems and communications gear with a full bridge watch -- not see, detect and evade a 30,000-ton slow-moving (10 knots) behemoth?"

    As search teams continued Tuesday to look for 10 American sailors missing after a Navy warship collided with a commercial tanker east of Singapore – the latest in a series of similar incidents in the Pacific – the US defense brass wants answers.


    "Oil tankers are huge, and it takes miles for them to change course ... When you're going into a congested channel, you're supposed to be very alert, track ships around you to a very meticulous degree." Carl Schuster, a former director of operations at the US Pacific Command's Joint Intelligence Center

    This is the 4th collision in the 7th Fleet in 8 months. Two Tico's and two AB's. A culture of arrogance, poor risk management, poor judgment, slipping training standards and seamanship are at the heart of this.

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    • #32
      Here is the message from the Chief of Naval Operations.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZdkMpe6pr8

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      • #33
        Originally posted by DeV View Post
        Does it matter?

        Asymmetric threat?

        Not a suicide attack but very effective

        Of course it could be shear incompetence
        It matters if you are going to comment on Indonesia when their might not even be Indonesian crew members or even any "suspect groups" on the Tanker, more over these Commercial ships aren't exactly highly responsive or able to accelerate quickly, and even if they were surely the warship has the capability to respond and avoid it if seen. Which comes back to the question of competence or lack there of on the Destroyer.

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        • #34
          Ah yes, the terrorist crew on the merchant vessel did not deviate as the US warship turned into their path at speed in a crowded shipping lane..

          Of course.

          Its all clear now.
          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
            Ah yes, the terrorist crew on the merchant vessel did not deviate as the US warship turned into their path at speed in a crowded shipping lane..

            Of course.

            Its all clear now.
            Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
            It matters if you are going to comment on Indonesia when their might not even be Indonesian crew members or even any "suspect groups" on the Tanker, more over these Commercial ships aren't exactly highly responsive or able to accelerate quickly, and even if they were surely the warship has the capability to respond and avoid it if seen. Which comes back to the question of competence or lack there of on the Destroyer.
            Probably in bad taste but it was an attempt at humour, tin foil hat talk !!

            You'd think so!!

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            • #36
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQqyeWBZrLQ

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              • #37
                Saw a comment by a USN "official" that the McCain lost steering as she entered the Straits leading to the impact...

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                • #38
                  So the first report of the incidents is coming out, seems just significant Human Errors in the Watch Crews of the Destroyers:
                  Two accidents that claimed the lives of 17 sailors resulted from complete breakdowns in standard Navy procedures and poor decision making by officers and sailors on the bridge of the two warships.

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                  • #39
                    Jaysus. If A yacht did what Fitzgerald did the skipper would be relieved of his command. If a merchant vessel did it, questions would be asked about the crew competency.
                    Serious questions need to be asked about USN competence. No one person seems to be at fault. The system has failed.
                    As for McCain, The man in command wasn't in command, and his crew didn't know their jobs as well as they should for the conditions. System failure.
                    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                    • #40
                      Well, if you follow the link, they (USN) nailed three Officers on another ship for allegedly tolerating illegal gambling and illegal possession of fireworks aboard ship, as well as frequent demotions or sackings of Commanders for failing to maintain standards in Office. I can think of quite a few Donners, of all ranks, who'd have been shown the door if the Don and the DF held them to the same standard the USN appear to hold.

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                      • #41
                        The USN are an example of how these things should be addressed. They also are not afraid to publish punishments in public. As always prevention is better than cure. USN personnel by the looks of it are being rode hard and being put up wet.

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                        • #42
                          Too much gym and PT, not enough seamanship and ROR.
                          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by na grohmit� View Post
                            Too much gym and PT, not enough seamanship and ROR.
                            There seems to be several issues at play, seems that the 7th Fleet had been using a method the USN had authorised for signing off on equipment/training in order to keep the units at readiness levels without them actually meeting those levels, think an Admiral got fired for it and they had a safety stand down for that as well.

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