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  • Originally posted by Chuck View Post
    @Apod, what do you think the logic is for the potential widespread rollout of brown boots (potentially at home) and overseas.
    I have not seen any official memo outlining the reason but educated guesses would be.

    1/ Current trends in modern western Army footwear.(UK,USA,France etc)

    2/ Cost savings. Possible piggybacking on UK or French orders.

    3/ Operational requirement. Black leather is unsuited to hot climates,and desert tan suede is unsuited to the Irish climate but a modern Brown waterproof breathable boot with the latest generation Goretex membrane(ePTFE) can also keep your feet cool in hot weather so could be used both at home and overseas.

    4/ Better Cam and Con. Brown blend in better.Some like to say "there is no black in nature". Explain the crow so!
    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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    • Originally posted by Chuck View Post
      logic .
      in the DF?

      Originally posted by apod View Post
      4/ Better Cam and Con. Brown blend in better.Some like to say "there is no black in nature". Explain the crow so!
      crow is very very very very very very very very dark blue

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      • Originally posted by DeV View Post
        crow is very very very very very very very very dark blue
        Last edited by Buck; 8 March 2018, 19:28.
        I knew a simple soldier boy.....
        Who grinned at life in empty joy,
        Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
        And whistled early with the lark.

        In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
        With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
        He put a bullet through his brain.
        And no one spoke of him again.

        You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
        Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
        Sneak home and pray you'll never know
        The hell where youth and laughter go.

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        • UNDOF rotation going without having been issued the new boots. No confirmation as to whether they will get them in theatre.

          UNIFIL Bn in same boat apparently.

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          • The Lads for the Leb were told that the brown boots, that are in stores, will not be issued until existing stocks of Black boots are expended!
            CRIME SCENE INSTIGATOR

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            • One of the first lessons I learned about stores staff was to never believe "the gear will follow you up", journos here's your opportunity to actually do something useful....
              Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

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              • Originally posted by Chuck View Post
                UNDOF rotation going without having been issued the new boots. No confirmation as to whether they will get them in theatre.

                UNIFIL Bn in same boat apparently.
                Not happening.. Dun dun dummmm !

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                • They have a couple of thousand pairs in stores at the moment.Love to know how they plan to roll them out.
                  I can't see them liking mixed dress in units so issue to full units one at a time would be the way to go.Having said that what do you do if someone only just got issued a pair of black boots shortly before his/her unit goes brown?
                  Not exactly best value for the taxpayer.
                  "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                  • We had mixed dress in units while we were doing the MTP and brown boots rollout - some of the red faced shouty people got a bit excited about it all, but it wasn't for long (in the big picture), and it doesn't really matter...

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                    • Originally posted by ropebag View Post
                      We had mixed dress in units while we were doing the MTP and brown boots rollout - some of the red faced shouty people got a bit excited about it all, but it wasn't for long (in the big picture), and it doesn't really matter...
                      Has sleeves and tucked/untucked been sorted yet?

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                      • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                        Has sleeves and tucked/untucked been sorted yet?
                        Apparently the Army Sgt Major in the UK has decreed that individuals can now decide for themselves if they want to go sleeves up or down during the summer period unless uniformity demands it and that will be decided by unit commanders and RSM's!

                        Gotta love army oxymorons.
                        "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                        • Originally posted by apod View Post
                          Apparently the Army Sgt Major in the UK has decreed that individuals can now decide for themselves if they want to go sleeves up or down during the summer period unless uniformity demands it and that will be decided by unit commanders and RSM's!

                          Gotta love army oxymorons.
                          They have one in the Brits aswell (bold font)?
                          "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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                          • Originally posted by apod View Post
                            Apparently the Army Sgt Major in the UK has decreed that individuals can now decide for themselves if they want to go sleeves up or down during the summer period unless uniformity demands it and that will be decided by unit commanders and RSM's!

                            Gotta love army oxymorons.
                            Who cares what the Brits do. They're them and we're us .

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                            • Originally posted by Craghopper View Post
                              Who cares what the Brits do. They're them and we're us .
                              That's a fairly negative attitude. IMHO we should have a similar appointment here also.BTW the idea is not unique to them.Common practice in a lot of major Armies.

                              But that's beside the point I was trying to make anyway.
                              "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                              • Originally posted by The real Jack View Post
                                journos here's your opportunity to actually do something useful....
                                Of all of the difficulties that exist for people in the DF, brown boots is pretty low down the pecking order. In fact I would say it rates a 1/10 on the radar.

                                Sort the real problems : pay, retention & continuity in appointments first. Boots? I never gave a fiddlers about which colour boots I have on my feet, in the barracks, the Glen, Africa, Middle East or anywhere else

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