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  • #61
    I know soemone who is a senior and who is married to an officer, would never have been allowed not so long ago but thankfully the army is being dragged kicking and screaming into line with the rest of society
    Every man thinks meanly of himself for not having been a soldier - Samuel Johnson

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    • #62
      Originally posted by knocker View Post
      Is there any eliteism in the officers corps ? There are units here like the guards and the gunners that are very selective about who joins their cap badge.
      Not Units that stand out for various things

      My own Unit is like the Russian front or a Penal Battalion for Officers or -

      we dont usually do the same as your lads in the Guards/ Household divisions-

      to be fair to our Officers we have some great lads- I could say that in my time I have come across about 7 idiots that you wouldnt let tie their own shoe lace-

      the newer generation of Officers are just like the young Soldiers
      some great some middling some piss poor attitudes- thats society and

      all societies failures and in fact the recession and just about every shitty thing in this world

      can be blamed on Jim Shreenan- an ex cos of staff but present idiot ( he takes up 2 spaces in my list of 7 idiots)

      Its great to serve with some of the good new young Oficers because they are full of enthusiasm and ability.
      Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
      Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
      The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
      The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
      The best lack all conviction, while the worst
      Are full of passionate intensity.

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      • #63
        So Hedge, in your time , what percentage of young officers have come in and tried to lay down the law and how many have come in and listened ?
        Every man thinks meanly of himself for not having been a soldier - Samuel Johnson

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        • #64
          1 or 2 over the years would have tried to lay down the law

          but the majority would listen

          saying that if a new Platoon Commander lays down the law- then its the law- like it or lump it.

          I think if they have been trained by a good NCO in the college then they will be more trusting and

          eager to learn from their own NCO's- whereas if they were trained by an ejit well then what do you expect- ejits begat other ejits.

          is it the same in your neck of the woods Knocker
          Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
          Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
          The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
          The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
          The best lack all conviction, while the worst
          Are full of passionate intensity.

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          • #65
            Pretty much yea, am lucky at the minute, my troop commander is wide open to suggestion and has only had a few " moments of genius" !
            Every man thinks meanly of himself for not having been a soldier - Samuel Johnson

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            • #66
              Is there much provision for sport during Cadet training??

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              • #67
                Cadets are required to participate in sport facilities are available for a number of different sports. It is even allowed for in the weekly programme!

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by ArdMhacha View Post
                  Is there much provision for sport during Cadet training??
                  Depends on what you mean by 'provision'. As part of program in Cdt Sch its a huge part.

                  If you want to hold on to your sport outside the Cdt Sch it might have to take second place until you finish. If you're a bit of 'star' on your local club team don't think that gives you a God given right to get special treatment. It depends on who is pulling the strings in the Cdt Sch but if you're on tactics for two weeks and the county final is on then forget about it. There can be a similar approach on Saturdays. If you have a match in Donegal at 1400 on Sat and the program ends on Sat at 1230 then tough shit.

                  As for weeknight training with your club I'd say forget about it. I'm out a few years now so ask some of the newer blades. The system was that you would get practically zero time off between intake and Christmas, but that has probably been watered down somewhat. It's all part of the 'indoctrination'. If you can't handle 14 weeks in the Curragh away from your in-bred GAA club then 16 weeks in Chad is not for you!

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by knocker View Post
                    So Hedge, in your time , what percentage of young officers have come in and tried to lay down the law and how many have come in and listened ?
                    That works both way gents. A 2/Lt in my Bde 'listened' to his Pln Sgt and it nearly cost him his career. I think the only thing that saved his ass is that he stayed in camp and the subsequent investigation proved that even an experienced Captain might have been unable to forsee or prevent what happened.

                    Very experienced Sgt and Cpls in a BTC (or CTD as they were at the time). Recruit Pln back in camp on Sunday between weeks 1 and 2 of tactics. 2/Lt wants Recruits confined particualrly if DS's are going into town. Listens to his NCOs, allows them out based on the assurance that there is an early curfew for the Recruits and the DS's and Recruits don't socialise together. All the male recruits bar one return by curfew. The DS's 'accidently' meet some the Recruits in a pub and take it upon themselves to extend the pass for all the female recruits and one male.

                    You can see where this is going......DS's beat up each each other, Two DS's batter the remaining male recruit and at least two of the females made allegations against the DS's as well.

                    The incident was well publicised around the Bde and was used as a cautionary tale for all YOs in the years that followed. I'd say it took years to build up that trust again. Just because you're 22 and your Pln Sgt is 42 doesn't mean that you as the Officer can't exercise better judgment and you shouldn't be afraid to lay down the law as well as listen.

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                    • #70
                      your dead right

                      there are because of numbers- more NCO clowns than Officer clowns.

                      I never heard that story though

                      what Bde was it in
                      Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                      Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                      The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                      The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                      The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                      Are full of passionate intensity.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
                        your dead right

                        there are because of numbers- more NCO clowns than Officer clowns.

                        I never heard that story though

                        what Bde was it in
                        South. It was the first of the 'yellow packs' in 1994. It was well 'handled' if you know what I mean as the OC of the BTC was chasing Lt Col and the 2i/c was chasing Comdt. The 2/Lt came out of it reasonably unscathed and has left the DF since but I don't think he ever fully trusted NCOs again and developed a reputation as a bit of bollix. By the book all the way.

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                        • #72
                          thats always the problem

                          a good Officer is turned by a bad NCO

                          and vice versa
                          Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                          Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                          The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                          The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                          The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                          Are full of passionate intensity.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Jessup View Post
                            Depends on what you mean by 'provision'. As part of program in Cdt Sch its a huge part.

                            If you want to hold on to your sport outside the Cdt Sch it might have to take second place until you finish. If you're a bit of 'star' on your local club team don't think that gives you a God given right to get special treatment. It depends on who is pulling the strings in the Cdt Sch but if you're on tactics for two weeks and the county final is on then forget about it. There can be a similar approach on Saturdays. If you have a match in Donegal at 1400 on Sat and the program ends on Sat at 1230 then tough shit.

                            As for weeknight training with your club I'd say forget about it. I'm out a few years now so ask some of the newer blades. The system was that you would get practically zero time off between intake and Christmas, but that has probably been watered down somewhat. It's all part of the 'indoctrination'. If you can't handle 14 weeks in the Curragh away from your in-bred GAA club then 16 weeks in Chad is not for you!
                            There are plenty of cadets representing the DF at various levels on various teams & also in individual sports.

                            Your club will be the cadet school or the DF, inter-county it may be possible to play for your county (especially if you play for Roscommon (only messing!)).
                            Last edited by DeV; 17 August 2009, 22:44.

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                            • #74
                              Hi Jessup, could you elaborate as to what kind of sports would be part of the syllabus? I'll give anything my best shot, however in school it was always athletics and outdoor pursuits I was into - sadly lacking in skills with games that involve balls. The "ethos" of the school I went to also meant that rugby was an unmentionable word, so I've little idea of that either. I have no hesitation about getting stuck in to anything new whether I'm good or bad at it but In the unlikely event of getting in, I have visions of being made an ejit of by a crowd of intercounty GAA players on a regular basis. Then again, I do come complete with some good mountain/backpacking experience to compensate....................

                              Thanks in advance.
                              Last edited by northie; 17 August 2009, 23:16.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Jessup View Post
                                That works both way gents. A 2/Lt in my Bde 'listened' to his Pln Sgt and it nearly cost him his career. I think the only thing that saved his ass is that he stayed in camp and the subsequent investigation proved that even an experienced Captain might have been unable to forsee or prevent what happened.

                                Very experienced Sgt and Cpls in a BTC (or CTD as they were at the time). Recruit Pln back in camp on Sunday between weeks 1 and 2 of tactics. 2/Lt wants Recruits confined particualrly if DS's are going into town. Listens to his NCOs, allows them out based on the assurance that there is an early curfew for the Recruits and the DS's and Recruits don't socialise together. All the male recruits bar one return by curfew. The DS's 'accidently' meet some the Recruits in a pub and take it upon themselves to extend the pass for all the female recruits and one male.

                                You can see where this is going......DS's beat up each each other, Two DS's batter the remaining male recruit and at least two of the females made allegations against the DS's as well.

                                The incident was well publicised around the Bde and was used as a cautionary tale for all YOs in the years that followed. I'd say it took years to build up that trust again. Just because you're 22 and your Pln Sgt is 42 doesn't mean that you as the Officer can't exercise better judgment and you shouldn't be afraid to lay down the law as well as listen.
                                Those two DS were mickeyheads to be fair.

                                The lady recruits were well able to bat their eyelashes as 3 stars as well.

                                Senior ncos were known to swoon at those lashes

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