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  • Interesting development:

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...m-2020-439130/

    You just know it'll be Gripen this time around.

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    • Originally posted by Jetjock View Post
      Interesting development:

      https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...m-2020-439130/

      You just know it'll be Gripen this time around.
      To be honest that whole deal was a Feck up on both sides from start to finish, and yeah I'd say the Gripen will be a serious contender, wonder which variant they will go for though? Pick up C/D, or go in with the E?

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      • The Eurofighter was a dud from the outset. The manufacturers were hoping for a Tornado replacement. As soon as nations started pulling out of EFA it was doomed. The UK, Germany and Italy were stuck with it for the sake of their own industry. France pulled out and came up with the superior (but similar) Rafale. The corruption involved in Austria's procurement of Typhoon will bake for a great book someday I'm sure.
        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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        • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
          The Eurofighter was a dud from the outset. The manufacturers were hoping for a Tornado replacement. As soon as nations started pulling out of EFA it was doomed. The UK, Germany and Italy were stuck with it for the sake of their own industry. France pulled out and came up with the superior (but similar) Rafale. The corruption involved in Austria's procurement of Typhoon will bake for a great book someday I'm sure.
          Not sure I'd agree, what killed the Eurofighter was the end of the Cold War and the gutting of the order book as the main partners cut defence spending, which in turn hit both it's capabilities and the export potential.

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          • The Rafale might be allegedly superior but it's priced at something like 60 million per airframe, even more than the Typhoon, before you buy support packages and all that so buyers have stayed away in droves. Potential naval customers like the UK have gone for the F35 so that leaves Argentina,Brazil and India as the only potential naval users and they are either broke or getting out of carriers or buying Gripens.

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            • Brazil is getting out of the CATOBAR carrier game, so I thing the Sea Gripen won't fly :(

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              • Originally posted by Graylion View Post
                Brazil is getting out of the CATOBAR carrier game, so I thing the Sea Gripen won't fly :(
                Really it's just down to India as a Carrier user, and frankly with their procurement process I wouldn't put any faith in them getting it developed.

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                • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
                  Really it's just down to India as a Carrier user, and frankly with their procurement process I wouldn't put any faith in them getting it developed.
                  Especially since they are (supposedly) buying Rafale. As for their procurement process: I work with Indians every day and getting them to take any responsibility requires brute force

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                  • Originally posted by Graylion View Post
                    Especially since they are (supposedly) buying Rafale. As for their procurement process: I work with Indians every day and getting them to take any responsibility requires brute force
                    They will give you the answer they think you want to hear. It's not that they are dishonest, its just a cultural thing.
                    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                    • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                      They will give you the answer they think you want to hear. It's not that they are dishonest, its just a cultural thing.
                      In terms of their defence procurement, you have the issue where they have sought to get International companies to take any hits for the Indian companies having issues, which for example is why you've had some companies refuse to tender for Indian contracts.

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                      • Further to above FlightGlobal article and various nations searches for more affordable fighter and trainer options/combo's - this month's 'Air International' magazine...

                        AIR International Magazine has, over the years, established a reputation for authoritative reporting. The award-winning editorial team regularly visits trade shows, major manufacturers and operators to keep readers abreast of all the latest military and commercial industry news. The most renowned writers in the aerospace world provide technical assessments, including unique cutaway illustrations.


                        carries three related articles regarding:
                        - The final year of Portugal's (6) remaining Alpha Jet trainers,
                        - Italy's more modern M-345 HET ('High Efficiency Trainer),
                        - and its later relative M-346 LIFT (Lead-in fighter Trainer) Advanced Jet Trainer, then the FT (Fighter Trainer) version and the most recent improvement - FA (Fighter Attack) version
                        (looks like the similarish Chinese offer is (shock) trying to follow the same development path... http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-ne...nt-jet-trainer).

                        It might be educational for the AC to see what direction Portugal goes in for its Alpha Jet replacement?
                        Last edited by WhingeNot; 12 July 2017, 02:50.

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                        • Originally posted by WhingeNot View Post

                          It might be educational for the AC to see what direction Portugal goes in for its Alpha Jet replacement?
                          Not really. Portugal operate the F16, they will almost certainly follow the route of replacing the Alpha Jets with PC21 or Super Tucanos. Unless they have plans to replace the F16s with a 5th generation F35, which given their finances, seems highly unlikely.

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                          • http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/poli...es-12-jet-deal

                            Looks like the Thai's will order more KAI T50's for around €32m each.

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                            • Originally posted by WhingeNot View Post
                              It might be educational for the AC to see what direction Portugal goes in for its Alpha Jet replacement?
                              Originally posted by Tempest View Post
                              Not really. Portugal operate the F16, they will almost certainly follow the route of replacing the Alpha Jets with PC21 or Super Tucanos. Unless they have plans to replace the F16s with a 5th generation F35, which given their finances, seems highly unlikely.
                              The most apparent/likey outcome to the Alpha Jet retirement is that no replacement will be acquired. The PC-21 was indeed a favorite in the Air Force circles for years with a lot of talk about it. However, there seems to be no budget for jet trainers and it has now become common to send pilots to other countries to do their training. Additionally, the Alpha Jet attack role was taken over by the F-16 a few years ago when Squadron 301 made the transition from one type to the other.

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                              • From Defence Industry Daily :- Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) is looking to sell its external linkFA-50 Golden Eagle to the Botswana Defence Force external link. Billing it as a cheaper alternative to Saab’s JAS-39 Gripen, which is also being looked at Botswana, KAI claims that the FA-50 has a cheaper acquisition and maintenance cos than its competitor— the Gripen’s life-cycle cost is “three times” that of the FA-50. The Korean firm is also offering a comprehensive support package which includes an “instructional systems development” (ISD) for the FA-50 as well as its trainer variant the T-50 and the Pilatus PC-7 turboprop-powered basic trainer. Last year, it was reported that Botswana was in talks with Sweden for eight to twelve JAS-39C/D Gripen fighters, believed to cost in the region of $1.7 billion.

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