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  • Originally posted by sofa View Post
    Have the article here now. Surface Search Radar taken off ships going into maintenance and put on ship deploying.
    £6,700 circuit card assembly for torpedo launch system swapped 26 times across 12 type 23 ships.
    MoD to save money only ordered incomplete technical documentation for the Type 45s which made parts IDing and maintenance a nightmare
    Just read the same article....madness..... penny wise pound foolish
    Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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    • Sounds like the Batch 2's problems are a bit of a concern, with reports that Forth has been handed back and Tyne is being brought back into service to cover:
      HMS Forth will be entering dry dock in Portsmouth soon to have major rectification work performed, with the vessel she replaced being brought back into active service.

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      • Oh dear. This does not bode well. Lucky they didn't sell or scrap HMS Tyne.
        HMS Tyne to be reactivated as now delayed Offshore Patrol Vessel fleet faults worse than feared
        By George Allison - June 16, 2018
        HMS Forth will be entering dry dock in Portsmouth soon to have major rectification work performed, with the vessel she replaced being brought back into active service.
        Earlier in the year, it was reported that issues with new Offshore Patrol Vessel HMS Forth would be rectified within a few weeks, this did not happen as the defects appear to have been far more serious than feared.HMS Forth has been found to have more than 100 defects, including electrical and safety issues.
        Our contact, currently serving in the Royal Navy and involved with the programme, tells us that the ship has been handed back to BAE due to “the very poor standard of build”. We were told:
        “For example bolt heads glued back on (thousands over tightened) high voltage switchboard very dangerous, life rafts failed to launch, wiring sub standard, galley not secured… list is huge.
        It’s much worse than what they released. Captain of the ship and higher rankers had a meeting with BAE, MoD etc. I’m surprised nothing has been said else where with it being first of class. They reckon 3 months to rectify, I reckon much more.”
        We also understand from our contact that the entire Batch 2 River class programme has been set back due to this, with the second vessel in the class having supposed to have started sea trials in October last year but is currently still alongside at the BAE yard in Scotstoun, Glasgow.
        Our contact explained what’s happening with HMS Tyne and the other, older Offshore Patrol Vessels.
        “However as Forth is a long way from being ready and with these new problems, Tyne is being reactivated and the other OPV which was decommissioned is going into refit.
        Safe to say its all very political and no quick way to solve the issues. The whole OPV Batch 2 project has now been delayed to the quality issues.”
        “And BAE will be getting the bill for getting HMS Tyne back operational” he added.
        HMS Forth is the first of the five new Offshore Patrol Vessels being built to replace the current River Class vessels. The vessels had been ordered to fill a gap in orders after the second carrier and before the Type 26 frigate build started.
        A BAE spokesman said:
        “We are actively supporting the Royal Navy to resolve issues around a limited number of bolt fastenings and the electrical system on HMS Forth. These are unrelated issues and investigations for each are now underway to ensure that we resolve any potential impact and establish the cause. We are committed to delivering equipment that meets rigorous safety and quality standards.”
        An MoD spokesman added:
        “It is normal for us to work with industry partners to make some rectifications to ships once they have been handed to the Royal Navy BAE Systems is already at work on some areas as we work together to ensure HMS Forth goes on to tackle piracy, safeguard our fishing stocks and protect our coastline.”
        HMS Forth had been earmarked to replace half-sister HMS Clyde as the Falkland Islands Guardship and is currently alongside in Portsmouth undergoing repair work.
        HMS Forth will be entering dry dock in Portsmouth soon to have major rectification work performed, with the vessel she replaced being brought back into active service.
        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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        • Is this a case of great minds?
          I wonder if this debacle will have any impact on the 31 decision?

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          • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
            Is this a case of great minds?
            I wonder if this debacle will have any impact on the 31 decision?
            Possibly but we are talking about the RN, Whitehall and BAE so anything could happen. It does not give one confidence over the Type 26 project either ... not that I had much faith in it anyway.

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            • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
              Is this a case of great minds?
              I wonder if this debacle will have any impact on the 31 decision?
              Given there hasn't really been a decision on the Type 31s other that they will be built, if its a tender process I don't see how this can impact on the tender process. BAE will need to up their game big time , which would be to the RNs advantage , in that they squeeze a lot more from the tender process.
              Time will tell.
              Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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              • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                Given there hasn't really been a decision on the Type 31s other that they will be built, if its a tender process I don't see how this can impact on the tender process. BAE will need to up their game big time , which would be to the RNs advantage , in that they squeeze a lot more from the tender process.
                Time will tell.
                We know the yards that will be used and the two options that are in the tender, I would have thought previous quality of work would be something that could be factored into a decision as to who wins the bid.

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                • Snapped off bolt heads glued back on.?

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                  • Originally posted by sofa View Post
                    Snapped off bolt heads glued back on.?
                    There is probably some humour in this obs. , however because of dissimilar metals in modern ship construction , quite a lot of Bolting occurs between aluminium bridge area structures, including masts , and the ships main steel hull. Attachment is achieved using flanged Nylon bushes and stainless steel bolts at a close pitch and continuous runs of Denso type tape between the dissimilar metals. The mast area is supported vertically by a number of steel pillars, also bolted at the upper end and then welded to the steel main decks. This is to prevent aluminium structure weakened by heat above 250c collapsing downwards.

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                    • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                      Given there hasn't really been a decision on the Type 31s other that they will be built, if its a tender process I don't see how this can impact on the tender process. BAE will need to up their game big time , which would be to the RNs advantage , in that they squeeze a lot more from the tender process.
                      Time will tell.
                      BAE's game has been upped financially with the announcement that Australia is to build up to 9 Type F26's at home Yards for the Australian Navy. The outfit is not fully declared but no doubt a variety of capabilities with rumours of US Aegis type combat systems in keeping with intended policy for destroyers.

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                      • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                        BAE's game has been upped financially with the announcement that Australia is to build up to 9 Type F26's at home Yards for the Australian Navy. The outfit is not fully declared but no doubt a variety of capabilities with rumours of US Aegis type combat systems in keeping with intended policy for destroyers.
                        Saw that during the week, it is indeed good news for BAE finacially.....but given the ships will be built in Australia it doesn't adress the quality control issues BAE have had in the UK!
                        Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                        • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                          Saw that during the week, it is indeed good news for BAE finacially.....but given the ships will be built in Australia it doesn't adress the quality control issues BAE have had in the UK!
                          Maybe BAE are thinking that the Aussies might do a better job than the UK yards .
                          Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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                          • Originally posted by Laners View Post
                            Maybe BAE are thinking that the Aussies might do a better job than the UK yards .
                            Australia will buy anything decent on offer...once they can build it in Australia........which is not a bad idea.....
                            Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                            • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                              Australia will buy anything decent on offer...once they can build it in Australia........which is not a bad idea.....
                              We had the capability until VCD was flushed, followed by the State Shipping line, followed lately by our bigger Drydock all at the hands of the Mandarins who only have a policy of amputation and putting up with limping along with zero ambition to retain infrastructure for the future.

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                              • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                                We had the capability until VCD was flushed, followed by the State Shipping line, followed lately by our bigger Drydock all at the hands of the Mandarins who only have a policy of amputation and putting up with limping along with zero ambition to retain infrastructure for the future.
                                Unfortunately, often our maritime policies are dictated from people who lived all their lives inland, having no appreciation to the importance of the sea for everything we do. While Charlie was a well known sailor, Garret the good was more interested in Trains than Boats. Albert Reynolds was from Longford. John Brutal is from Meath, A county with no Harbour. Sea Blindness is a serious illness in this nation for too many years, but the Tide is Turning.
                                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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