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Originally posted by Sparky42 View PostI didn't think they were ever going to be operational at the same time? Thought the plan was always 1 in and 1 out?
Can't just turn the key in lock, walk away and expect it to work on demand. So its not going to be cheap or easyCovid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Originally posted by hptmurphy View PostAgain depends on the state of readiness required, either will always have to be 'functional ' to a degree in the vent of either or both being required. This takes money and man power.
Can't just turn the key in lock, walk away and expect it to work on demand. So its not going to be cheap or easy
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the 100Bn they wont be paying to EU could fund a decent fleet."He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
"No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."
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They are so short of manpower, especially technical manpower, for all of their fleet, especially submarines, that it's a wonder they have enough ships at seas at all. They have found out the hard way, that techs (regardless of rank) like to get paid well and treated well and techs can get that ashore for less graft, so why would they go to sea?
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Originally posted by Sparky42 View PostDid it say that on the side of a bus?
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Originally posted by barrybadrinah View PostTangental, but sadly, the remoaners keep using every opportunity to shout "where has that £350 million you promised gone?", yet they hinder the speedy exit of the UK from the EU at every chance. Written on the side of a bus or not, while the UK is still in the EU, that money cannot appear.
I think you will find that actual UK to EU annual contribution is around £8.5bn per year (2016 figures) having taken into account the 'Thatcher' rebate and EU payments direct into the UK
The quoted sum on the famous bus was based on an unsupported estimate of £55m per day
Also the informative bus (rather unfairly I think) didn't tell us that this sum was a gross amount with no consideration of discounts/rebates and subsidies
The hoped for UK financial benefits from leaving the EU were at the very least oversold
In 2018 the UK government paid £13 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at about £9 billion.
Good to see that the spirit of Hartlepool Man is alive and well in one who is not from Hartlepool ...
for another thread I thinkLast edited by Orion; 18 August 2017, 19:33.
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Originally posted by Sparky42 View PostI get that, I thought the plan was for one to either be in refit or in extended readiness, with the budget and manpower issues the RN has (and will have with the SSBN's spinning up), is it realistic to think short of the operational one being heavily damaged that the "spare" would be brought online? Short of a significant change in spending I can't see both operational at the same time, wouldn't that mean issues for the air group, escorts, RFA if they were operating independently?
Build two, run the shite out of one and then reactivate the other when required, the down side the second unit doesn't get all the upgrades the primary one does and ends up all but useless in time of emergency.
Intrepid ended up as a source of spares for Fearless and went to the scrapyard before Fearless, albeit months, but with far less miles on the clock so to speak.
There isn't an ideal solution, unless you use both to full capacity unless in re fit, its a waste of money building them initially.
Not saying anything about the capabilities or any other aspect of the builds, indeed fine looking vessels but just born of the wrong time.Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Originally posted by hptmurphy View PostI think the classic examples is the RN and its LPDs of Old , Intrepid and Fearless,
Build two, run the shite out of one and then reactivate the other when required, the down side the second unit doesn't get all the upgrades the primary one does and ends up all but useless in time of emergency.
Intrepid ended up as a source of spares for Fearless and went to the scrapyard before Fearless, albeit months, but with far less miles on the clock so to speak.
There isn't an ideal solution, unless you use both to full capacity unless in re fit, its a waste of money building them initially.
Not saying anything about the capabilities or any other aspect of the builds, indeed fine looking vessels but just born of the wrong time.
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostThey also did it with the last big flat-tops they had, Ark Royal and Eagle. Even there they used Eagle for spares even if a lot of people though she was the better ship!
But again at least they are being built and the debate about should they be built is over. But just because you have two carriers doesn't make you a super power.
Will the operational costs impact on future operations that they should have been capable of doing?Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostThey also did it with the last big flat-tops they had, Ark Royal and Eagle. Even there they used Eagle for spares even if a lot of people though she was the better ship!
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