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  • Considering the Australians and Canadians are going for the Type 26...

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    • Originally posted by DeV View Post
      Considering the Australians and Canadians are going for the Type 26...
      Will the current trend lines of the NZ MOD fund two all up 26's?

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      • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
        Will the current trend lines of the NZ MOD fund two all up 26's?
        Around $3.2 Billion in 2015 dollars (€2.0B) has been forecasted for this project from the 2015-2030 $20B Defence future CapEx fund. The Future Surface Combatant project is due to start this year with capability investigation studies. Through the AUSCANNZUKUS relationship RNZN has liaison technical panel status with its cousin "TTCP Group" Navies on the Type 26 variants and the USN FFG(X) project. It will not be until at least 2025 that the Future Surface Combatant project begins to move into the more tangible business case stages.

        The hull itself is only one of a number of aspects in Frigate selection. Much like the P-8A, its airframe and baseline systems are just a vanilla B738-ERX. It is stuff inside like CMS, EW and its intelligence gathering capabilities that make it matter.
        Last edited by Anzac; 25 February 2019, 10:40.

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        • Looks like the 250m cap is being dropped with reports that "government furnished equipment" will be removed from the costings. Guessing they came to the conclusion that whatever you could get for 250m wasn't worth it.

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          • Of course this all pre the government realising it needs to find 3 Bn to fund rural broadband

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            • Originally posted by Bravo20 View Post
              Of course this all pre the government realising it needs to find 3 Bn to fund rural broadband
              Look at who the new SofS Defence is - the MOD isn't going to be losing any of its budget anytime while Maudant is a political threat to either May or any of her potential successors.

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              • Originally posted by Bravo20 View Post
                Of course this all pre the government realising it needs to find 3 Bn to fund rural broadband
                What??

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                • Originally posted by Bravo20 View Post
                  Of course this all pre the government realising it needs to find 3 Bn to fund rural broadband
                  Mothball the Air Corps sure. Worth it so young Johnny from Schull can play Fortnite.

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                  • Got the threads mixed up. Thought we were talking about the next Irish Navy ship.

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                    • Originally posted by Bravo20 View Post
                      Got the threads mixed up. Thought we were talking about the next Irish Navy ship.
                      Maybe we are.....
                      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                      • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                        Maybe we are.....
                        The builders are not putting it on the market it would appear.
                        Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                        • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
                          Looks like the 250m cap is being dropped with reports that "government furnished equipment" will be removed from the costings. Guessing they came to the conclusion that whatever you could get for 250m wasn't worth it.
                          I wonder if it is that the Arrowhead 140 ticks the boxes yet cannot be acquired for anything near the 250m bottom line.

                          The Indonesians are looking at locally building two Iver Huitfeld F-370's from the design licence holder OMT of the Type 31e Babcock consortium. The unit build cost is circa USD$360m and allegedly will include some cross decking of recent or refurnished systems from their existing Yani-class (50 year old refitted and upgraded Dutch built Leanders) such as the 76Oto as well similar systems to their recent local build of the Simga 10514's - so TACTICOS and SMART-S Mk2 should be in the mix.

                          Now if the Indonesians are thinking of doing a local build Iver F370 and cross decking some existing gear, plus adding GFE gear which they already have existing sustainment contracts in place and training per the Sigma's and are still 30m quid over 250m indicates that at a UK yard an Arrowhead 140 even with cross-decking some Type 23 systems is an impossibility and that the RN/MoD penny has dropped from a great height.
                          Last edited by Anzac; 10 May 2019, 11:41.

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                          • Something from Babcock on the Arrowhead 140, though given they were meant to be going to the 120 it's interesting that they are still promoting the 140:

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                            • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
                              Something from Babcock on the Arrowhead 140, though given they were meant to be going to the 120 it's interesting that they are still promoting the 140:

                              call me cynical, but it's a very pretty Plastikard model, and is firing a broadside even a thing anymore?
                              "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
                              Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
                              Illegitimi non carborundum

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                              • Originally posted by Turkey View Post
                                call me cynical, but it's a very pretty Plastikard model, and is firing a broadside even a thing anymore?
                                Only if you have more than one turret/cupola that can be fired to the same side to bring weight of fire on a target. Some older WW11 ships could deliver a 4 gun or 8 gun broadside. Interval of firing was curtailed to await time of flight to observe fall of shot, to allow correction for the next broadside. The other conundrum was the accuracy of the second and subsequent rounds was affected by the propellant explosions on the turret mount.
                                The 140 offerings is rather similar to others with the idea of a frigate in a variety of roles, or a super OPV/Mother ship with boats, insertion craft, ROV's and room for containerised assets and extra personnel/troops. In all roles it would be at least 4 different ships as they would only be adaptable at time of build. I don't like the loiter speed of 12 knots, we have always used 14knots.
                                Last edited by ancientmariner; 24 May 2019, 23:06.

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