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  • Originally posted by DeV View Post
    As trellheim says no these are legislation therefore no waivers

    We regard to NCOs, we have 2 guys (1 an ex PDF 3*) who joined at 35. 1 is now a Sgt the other is now a CQ
    Interesting subject though. The situation appears to be far tighter in the DF than it would be in US or UK militaries. Plenty available there for both active and reserves.

    I guess the DF here is so small that there never really was a requirement for waivers such as the above and thus they never had to exist whether restricted by legislation or not.

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    • Thanks for that. Tried to find it in the past and failed.

      For bonus points could you find the court case where a soldier (regular or reserve, not sure) tried to rely on this to get his job back and failed? I would love to read the full judgment.

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      • It would have to have between 1940 and 1954 ....
        "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

        "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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        • Originally posted by trellheim View Post
          No waivers I have ever seen for Line officers

          No, a late age Pte may still get an NCO place
          I've seen a 40 year old get through the process, has retired since but was above the age even at the application stage
          Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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          • I'm watching a 40+ mate go through it right now .
            "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

            "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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            • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
              I've seen a 40 year old get through the process, has retired since but was above the age even at the application stage
              Bit confused here. Earlier in thread there were no waivers full stop when it comes to applying for a reserve commission. However you mention a 40 year old going through the process?

              Are you referring to him going for PNCO (where I thought there was no age limit) or is there an actual process for those over 35 to at least apply for a waiver?



              Originally posted by trellheim View Post
              I'm watching a 40+ mate go through it right now .
              For NCO or officer?

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              • Originally posted by Auldsod View Post
                Bit confused here. Earlier in thread there were no waivers full stop when it comes to applying for a reserve commission. However you mention a 40 year old going through the process?

                Are you referring to him going for PNCO (where I thought there was no age limit) or is there an actual process for those over 35 to at least apply for a waiver?





                For NCO or officer?
                He is referring to a private completing a PNCO Cse (there is no age limit but it is a physically robust course)

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                • Bit confused here. Earlier in thread there were no waivers full stop when it comes to applying for a reserve commission. However you mention a 40 year old going through the process?
                  He was accepted for the Pot Officers course despite being over the age of 35 at application and would have been 40 plus when finished it and was commissioned, back in about 1997/98
                  Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                  • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                    He was accepted for the Pot Officers course despite being over the age of 35 at application and would have been 40 plus when finished it and was commissioned, back in about 1997/98
                    Those were the FCA / SM days. A lot has changed since then, mostly for the better.

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                    • Originally posted by Fantasia View Post
                      Those were the FCA / SM days. A lot has changed since then, mostly for the better.
                      Still though, if someone is officer material and can handle the physical exertion as in this case - why not let them go for a commission in exceptional circumstances? That was twenty years ago though!

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                      • Originally posted by Auldsod View Post
                        Still though, if someone is officer material and can handle the physical exertion as in this case - why not let them go for a commission in exceptional circumstances? That was twenty years ago though!
                        I think the reason is that the DF don't see a need for 2nd Lts over the age of 35. Usually, in the case of through the ranks commissions, at least the ones I have come into contact with, those who get them will be full Lts, and will not be filling the role of platoon commander. The bottom line, those who go through a POT Officer course are expected to lead a platoon in the field. I have seen people in their mid 30's, 40's and even late 40's on Potential NCO and Standard NCO courses, there is no age restriction here, but there are strict rules for the officers club.
                        What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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                        • There is an age restriction on the PDF PNCO Cse. Well it is not so much an age restriction as a medical restriction, but you cannot attain the medical grade over the age of 40

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                          • There is a white paper commitment to a specialist Reserve. You can't tell me that commercial pilots and doctors over 35 and other advanced specialists won't be welcomed with open arms ; I'm watching the PDF manning very closely indeed and the help is needed more than I've ever seen in the specialist areas.

                            Those were the FCA / SM days. A lot has changed since then, mostly for the better
                            In relation to this comment , I agree to some extent - thats a good discussion that has a lot of meat on the bone On the other side the recruiting admin is handled now by the PDF and is widely acknowledged to be awful , worse it is one that is easy to fix and has a massive, massive payback , far out of proportion to any other single thing the PDF could help the RDF with.
                            Last edited by trellheim; 10 May 2018, 10:25.
                            "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                            "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                            • Originally posted by Fantasia View Post
                              Those were the FCA / SM days. A lot has changed since then, mostly for the better.
                              The entry requirements for a commission are the same.

                              There is a section in R5 27(2)(b) "A person (including a reservist) who is in possession of a university degree or
                              diploma or an equivalent qualification, or who possesses other special qualifications of military value, may, subject to the existence of a vacancy in Establishments for which his particular qualifications are appropriate, be nominated to be appointed to be an officer of the Reserve Defence Force" This allows for the DF to commission someone between 35 and 45 if they have a skill that is deemed to be of military use. Also a strict interpretation of this would mean that anyone with a degree can get a commission up to 45. This is rarely used outside of medical and engineering degrees.

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                              • In relation to this comment , I agree to some extent - thats a good discussion that has a lot of meat on the bone On the other side the recruiting admin is handled now by the PDF and is widely acknowledged to be awful , worse it is one that is easy to fix and has a massive, massive payback , far out of proportion to any other single thing the PDF could help the RDF with.
                                This was one of the things lost when Cadres were removed from units. They weren't perfect , far from it, we were luck to have an excellent cadre who did a good job and trained people to do their job from the RDF.

                                Ever decreasing circles.
                                Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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