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Kierand
15th September 2008, 01:25
Hi....

Just joined, looking for any advice or information on joining the naval reserve.

popeye
15th September 2008, 02:23
Welcome and thanks for your interest in the NSR, where in the country are you?

Kierand
15th September 2008, 10:54
Hi Popeye,

I am living in Midleton just east of Cork City.

popeye
15th September 2008, 22:42
If you come along to Collins Bks any Tue night at 19.50hrs and report to the main gate. We have a Leading Seaman there in uniform, tell him you want to join the NSR and he will look after you.

Hope to see you soon.

Kierand
15th September 2008, 23:40
Thanks, Will be there tomorrow night :biggrin:

ancientmariner
21st April 2015, 10:22
Thanks, Will be there tomorrow night :biggrin:

I presume he turned up. The NSR seems to doomed to the same doldrum "where the F--- are we " as the pre 2005 Slua Muiri. I remember taking care of them at Camden during summer camp and they were people on a Naval Light diet. It was embarrassing all round trying to infuse salt water into their lives. The odd trip for a chosen one on the "Ships" but other than that an occasional acquired boat assigned to one Company, including the historic ASGARD based at Dun Laoghaire.
They are still based at selected military barracks without a ship. The whole concept and use of the NSR needs to be re-established to give them full integration, on call-up for ship duties , in all departments. In specialist areas it may need six month fulltime attendance for training and periods at sea. Any more views ???

ibenji
21st April 2015, 10:46
I presume he turned up. The NSR seems to doomed to the same doldrum "where the F--- are we " as the pre 2005 Slua Muiri. I remember taking care of them at Camden during summer camp and they were people on a Naval Light diet. It was embarrassing all round trying to infuse salt water into their lives. The odd trip for a chosen one on the "Ships" but other than that an occasional acquired boat assigned to one Company, including the historic ASGARD based at Dun Laoghaire.
They are still based at selected military barracks without a ship. The whole concept and use of the NSR needs to be re-established to give them full integration, on call-up for ship duties , in all departments. In specialist areas it may need six month fulltime attendance for training and periods at sea. Any more views ???

I spent 6 happy years in the Slua Muiri in the 1990's. Even managed to do 4 periods on patrol on the ships. When I look back at that time, it was one of the best character building activities that I have ever done. There was great lads in the company and dedicated members of the NS attached as well. I do think looking back that the relatively cheap resource available to the NS could have been better utilised more efficiently though. The limited one or two week training period on board ship each year was great to have but it should have been more if you wanted it.

DeV
21st April 2015, 13:36
I presume he turned up. The NSR seems to doomed to the same doldrum "where the F--- are we " as the pre 2005 Slua Muiri. I remember taking care of them at Camden during summer camp and they were people on a Naval Light diet. It was embarrassing all round trying to infuse salt water into their lives. The odd trip for a chosen one on the "Ships" but other than that an occasional acquired boat assigned to one Company, including the historic ASGARD based at Dun Laoghaire.
They are still based at selected military barracks without a ship. The whole concept and use of the NSR needs to be re-established to give them full integration, on call-up for ship duties , in all departments. In specialist areas it may need six month fulltime attendance for training and periods at sea. Any more views ???

It's my understanding that many NSR junior ratings are fairly well integrated into NS vessels on patrol over the year (they definitely have to do patrols to get upgraded).

AFAIK they have a higher % of strength-v-establishment than the AR

I do however agree that they should be centralised in Haulbowline.

na grohmiti
21st April 2015, 23:44
I spent 6 happy years in the Slua Muiri in the 1990's. Even managed to do 4 periods on patrol on the ships. When I look back at that time, it was one of the best character building activities that I have ever done. There was great lads in the company and dedicated members of the NS attached as well. I do think looking back that the relatively cheap resource available to the NS could have been better utilised more efficiently though. The limited one or two week training period on board ship each year was great to have but it should have been more if you wanted it.

As Dev said, things changed a lot since that was posted in 2008. You mention Camden, that gives away your vintage. I remember the closing ceremony in 1989, and all ASM training in Cork going to Templebreedy after that. There were wilderness years up to recently. Units were left to their own devices. Cork Coy took it upon themselves to acquire an old sailboat, Nancy Bet, An Angling boat painted grey and act as free security at Cork week. Waterford Coy did similar. Limerick Coy headed down the Shannon with their angling boat. The 2 Dublin coys were always available to show a Naval uniform at the boat show in the Point Depot. Over time, with forward thinking folk in NHQ, combined with staff shortages eating in to Patrol days decided to take action. Towards the start of the 2000s it became normal for the now NSR recruit training to be less square bashing, more seamanship. A skill base was built up. In time it was not unusual for everyone up to PO spending their Annual training filling in at some seamans branch position. While not actually covering an appointment. The NS were delighted to have the NSR folk aboard. It meant they could take leave during the summer months again. Unfortunately NSR officers had no role to play aboard ship.
They were not, as a rule Officers with either Navigation or Engineering training, so they could not fill appointments, but they were welcomed to shadow an officer at their rank. This was in my opinion the main weakness. Some of the NSR officers decided to tackle this at their own expense, and decided to earn yachtmasters qualifications. This would at least mean they could do basic navigation, if required.
Later on, it was normal that some duties in haulbowline were done by NSR. Again giving the NS people a chance to take their weekends off. Most importantly, in recent years the Cork Coy NSR has moved to Haulbowline.

But the weakness is marked. NSR do not have the new sea rider to train on. They still use the older petrol engine type. No NSR member is trained in naval gunnery, beyond the rifle and pistol. None are mechs or signallers. Worst of all the term aboard ship is too short, as a result of the limitations of mandays. If a ship is heading on a 3 week patrol with a NSR crew member, it will have to put in after 2 weeks and spend the last week down that crew member, or take on a replacement, for the final week. Not the best use of personnel or ship.

Like the rest of the RDF, the NSR needs a clear role. It needs training parallel to the PDF, not amended for reservists. 50% of its manpower should be made up of former NS people from all ranks from A/Sea to Lt.

ancientmariner
22nd April 2015, 01:21
Well put. My last in Service recommendation was to suggest full integration for Slua Muiri or disband them. Training or call up engagements should match full patrols or an overseas ship deployment. They should train to fill all posts within the ability of the Service and specialist recruitment could take place from MN sources. I know at least one DP Captain who serves when on leave as an Army reservist Corporal.

na grohmiti
22nd April 2015, 08:39
I know a master mariner who serves as a Lt in an artillery unit, and a 3rd engineer who served as a Sgt in the same unit. Reason being ASM/NSR had no use for them, and their skills would undermine that of their unskilled comrades at arms.

ancientmariner
22nd April 2015, 12:53
I know a master mariner who serves as a Lt in an artillery unit, and a 3rd engineer who served as a Sgt in the same unit. Reason being ASM/NSR had no use for them, and their skills would undermine that of their unskilled comrades at arms.

Sometimes they get misplaced, because they joined Army Reserve units before they embarked on a seagoing career. Out of loyalty they stay with their unit, however once you achieve a rank it may be possible to transfer inter Corps at the same rank??

DeV
22nd April 2015, 14:45
According to R5, if you transfer from AR to NSR (or from one corps to another I think) you can be dropped a rank.

Guy I know going to NMCI transferred from AR as a 3* to ASM as a A/S

ancientmariner
22nd April 2015, 17:35
Don't really know for definite. I donated my full set of DFR's when I retired, but I do know Q and A officers from The Army transferred to NS to get a higher rank. We need the same flexibility to encourage MN specialists to join NSR at an appropriate rank.

Laners
22nd April 2015, 17:41
According to R5, if you transfer from AR to NSR (or from one corps to another I think) you can be dropped a rank.

Guy I know going to NMCI transferred from AR as a 3* to ASM as a A/S

3* and A/S are the same .

DeV
22nd April 2015, 18:27
3* and A/S are the same .

Sorry probably O/S (2*?)

hptmurphy
22nd April 2015, 22:01
however once you achieve a rank it may be possible to transfer inter Corps at the same rank??

If you hold a valid qualification, which is not easy given the disparity of Naval qualifications because of the specialized role , in comparisson with Civilian qualifications..

Given the reluctance of the Defence Forces to recognise even the mots bast form of qualification, a civilian driving license, without requirement for specialized conversion course , one would wonder if the time and money spent on potentially qualify people as watch keepers would actually worth it.

I do believe that suitably qualified reservists do have a place on ships,but the nature of their engagement makes it nigh on impossible to achieve parity in training and experience with their equivalent rank thus making full one for one replacement all most impossible.

I do think the NSR should diversify in its qualifications of ratings from the basic seamanship,signals and mechs watch keeping in order to provide greater variety for potential recruits.

However in order to achieve this the DF and the Government need to address how reservists are treated in terms of contracts, pay , conditions and employment security.

The NS are probably more proactive in their approach to reservists but are hampered by blanket rulings on the DF.

Should the NS ever become separated from the DF as a whole, reservists may play an even greater part in the future of the NS.

Sluggie
23rd April 2015, 10:53
Four NSR NCOs will be commissioned in July. Two of them are professional MN watchkeepers.

ancientmariner
23rd April 2015, 12:30
Four NSR NCOs will be commissioned in July. Two of them are professional MN watchkeepers.

That is exactly the right path. RNR entrants to RN were commissioned as seamen officers and were used as watchkeepers. I'm not sure how they handled Marine, Electrical, and electronic qualified entrants but I,m sure they were most welcome and useful. It's all down to training and assimilation procedures.

restless
23rd August 2018, 01:17
My son is starting college in cork next week and wants to join the ns reserve, would anyone know when and if the ns will open recruitment again for reservists? thanks in advance.

Auldsod
23rd August 2018, 08:58
My son is starting college in cork next week and wants to join the ns reserve, would anyone know when and if the ns will open recruitment again for reservists? thanks in advance.

The latest recruitment campaign has closed unfortunately but I would expect a new one sometime in the next twelve months. No more detailed information than that unfortunately.

restless
23rd August 2018, 22:27
Thanks for that, il tell him to keep his eye on it.

Auldsod
24th August 2018, 08:49
Thanks for that, il tell him to keep his eye on it.

Tell him to follow the Naval service on social media. Oh and the RDFRA too. It'll be advertised widely there.

spider
24th August 2018, 21:01
Have been reading this thread and came across this article today...I had no idea that this career path was open to reservists but thought it was an interesting example of how reservists can be employed...

https://www.forces.net/news/how-do-royal-navy-reserve-divers-operate

ancientmariner
2nd September 2018, 10:14
Have been reading this thread and came across this article today...I had no idea that this career path was open to reservists but thought it was an interesting example of how reservists can be employed...

https://www.forces.net/news/how-do-royal-navy-reserve-divers-operate

Not exactly a career path in our Service. Any person of any trade, or rank can volunteer to undertake a Ship's Diver course. Key requirement is aptitude and medical clearance to dive to training depth of about 30 odd feet to typically examine ship's Hull and harbour structures and carry out planned searches in shallow SAR. Those that become skilled underwater and undertake advanced Diving training can gravitate to the Diving unit and it's training element, where they are more Divers than Cooks, Comms., Mechs., or Seamanship Branches. The rest Dive on secondment from their normal trades.
Naval Reserves should be fully integrated by training both formal and on-the-job and of course become capable of Diving Duties. The Naval Future is largely to train and acquire all of the Naval skills and the hardware to do so.

DeV
2nd September 2018, 12:38
Not forgetting the Basic Divers Cse is one of the hardest courses (<15% pass rate) in the DF and is 10 weeks long

spider
2nd September 2018, 16:00
Not forgetting the Basic Divers Cse is one of the hardest courses (<15% pass rate) in the DF and is 10 weeks long

Dev,

In this thread there has been a bit of discussion about the employability and under-utilization of reservists in the Irish Naval Service.

What I posted was an example of how a neighbouring Naval Service employ a small number of their personnel.

In no way did I suggest that the Irish Navy should do likewise...I merely sought to illustrate that it is possible to think outside the box.

The regular RN Clearance Divers course is 20 weeks long...and like its Irish counterpart... its nails.

If you've looked at the original link I posted you'll see that amongst those employed by the RNR as divers are a Fireman and an ex-Royal Marine Commando.

In other words 'handy' boys...

It takes 2-3 years to qualify as a diver in the RNR...they get trained and tested to the same standards as their regular counterparts.

They are all also experienced divers before they apply (either commercial or recreational)...unlike their regular counterparts who join up with the intention of entering the clearance diver trade / bomb disposal trade.

Another link -

https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2013/december/03/131203-diving-into-a-new-career

So by no means is entering the RNR Divers Branch easy...I'd imagine it takes a lot of determination, discipline and takes up a huge chunk of their spare time maintaining fitness.

It is do-able...the RNR has shown that it is.

DeV
2nd September 2018, 17:04
I’m not saying it’s impossible or shouldn’t be done.

If we think the AR is in a bad state with regard to recruitment, the NSR is worse

hptmurphy
2nd September 2018, 22:55
Have been reading this thread and came across this article today...I had no idea that this career path was open to reservists but thought it was an interesting example of how reservists can be employed...

https://www.forces.net/news/how-do-royal-navy-reserve-divers-operate

Eons ago the RNR manned most of the RNs minesweeping fleet so divers were a must.

spider
3rd September 2018, 22:12
Eons ago the RNR manned most of the RNs minesweeping fleet so divers were a must.

I worked with a guy who had fond memories of training exercises on HMS Helford the NI RNR Minesweeper...which was sold to Bangladesh after the 90s defence cuts \:)|

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNS_Shaibal

hptmurphy
3rd September 2018, 22:20
I often wondered why the RN offloaded the River Class Mine Warefare vessels as fast as they did given most were relatively new.

na grohmiti
3rd September 2018, 22:34
They were very specific in role. Fine ships as a replacement for the ton class though. They will carry on for many years to come though, like the Peacocks have as patrol vessels in their new homes of Bangladesh, Brazil and Guyana.

Auldsod
3rd September 2018, 23:24
Just bringing things back to NSR training topic. I've received dates for my NSR recruit training but I'm a bit confused about the weekend dates.

The dates are three days from Friday to Sunday. I'm assuming most here are Army Reserve but I'm sure training timing is done on a similar format.

What time would the Friday training usually start? Is it Friday evening on until Sunday evening or is the Friday a full day?

Already taking two weeks leave for the FTT so hoping six more Fridays aren't also required!

ancientmariner
4th September 2018, 10:15
Just bringing things back to NSR training topic. I've received dates for my NSR recruit training but I'm a bit confused about the weekend dates.

The dates are three days from Friday to Sunday. I'm assuming most here are Army Reserve but I'm sure training timing is done on a similar format.

What time would the Friday training usually start? Is it Friday evening on until Sunday evening or is the Friday a full day?

Already taking two weeks leave for the FTT so hoping six more Fridays aren't also required!

My advice is following the directions as laid down in your Joining Instructions and then follow the procedures as required in Barracks. For new people it will be Admin , Uniform , wearing same, medical, and eventually drills and All arms. Don't get ahead of where you are and don't worry.

Bravo20
4th September 2018, 10:57
You will have to reach out to your point of contact to clarify the start time on Friday. In the past where I have seen Friday starts it is for an evening report time BUT I am a long time out of recruit training so you really need to CONFIRM with someone involved in the current process.

Auldsod
4th September 2018, 11:30
You will have to reach out to your point of contact to clarify the start time on Friday. In the past where I have seen Friday starts it is for an evening report time BUT I am a long time out of recruit training so you really need to CONFIRM with someone involved in the current process.

I would have expected it be the evening. I'm certainly hoping it is as I work 8-4.30 and six extra days for Friday evenings would mean the annual leave requirements for recruit training would be 16 days (10 days for FTT also) in less than three months!

It seems most of the other recruits are students or have more flexible employment so don't have the same issues with regards getting time off. I've also got the impression that some (or all) of the recruit training is done by the PDF so a day's training on a Friday wouldn't be an issue for them. It would just be a shame to not be able to complete the training due to not having the annual leave to do it.

I've received joining instructions but there is no start time, location, transport details, etc (not sure if all training takes place in Haulbowline and some in the NSR home location). I just have the dates and kit list really.

I only have email for my PDF contact and have followed up on that but thought I'd ask here to get ahead of myself with planning leave in work. Booking numerous days off isn't that easy where you're given only short notice and other people have holidays booked! :-)

Bravo20
4th September 2018, 12:34
I feel your pain Auldsod. It is pretty poor communication on behalf of the NSR not to include information on reporting times. It is also very short sighted of them (if this is the case) to require 6 extra days by training on Fridays.

Auldsod
4th September 2018, 12:43
I feel your pain Auldsod. It is pretty poor communication on behalf of the NSR not to include information on reporting times. It is also very short sighted of them (if this is the case) to require 6 extra days by training on Fridays.

It seems to be a bit rushed due to usual medical delays etc. A lot of it's outside of the NSR's control really. I'd imagine they are trying their best to get the training going and get new recruits in so there is probably a lag with the finer details.

Whether or not the six extra days are full days or not isn't confirmed yet but yup, it would be extremely short sighted if that's the case. Six Fridays off and another two full weeks on top of that out of fourteen weeks would be pretty exceptional. That's 8/14 Friday's out of work - I'm more than willing to give up my time but my employer might not!

Here is hoping for a Friday evening start for all those!!

DeV
4th September 2018, 13:26
With regard to Friday start, it is highly likely to be Friday evening/night (but only unit can confirm)

There is a focus in at least 2 NSR locations to getting people in, through the process and thought recruit training in an efficient and timely manner.

Remember your training has to also fit around Accomodiation, instructor and training resources availability.

It is definitely a positive move

Auldsod
4th September 2018, 13:38
With regard to Friday start, it is highly likely to be Friday evening/night (but only unit can confirm)

There is a focus in at least 2 NSR locations to getting people in, through the process and thought recruit training in an efficient and timely manner.

Remember your training has to also fit around Accomodiation, instructor and training resources availability.

It is definitely a positive move

I'm assuming the weekends are at NSR home location as transporting four locations worth of recruits up and down to Haulbowline over numerous weekends would be a logistical headache. If that's the case, I suspect an evening start.

I must say that I'm impressed with my own locations push and drive to get things done. It has me very positive about the impending experience.

DeV
4th September 2018, 14:21
I'm assuming the weekends are at NSR home location as transporting four locations worth of recruits up and down to Haulbowline over numerous weekends would be a logistical headache. If that's the case, I suspect an evening start.

I must say that I'm impressed with my own locations push and drive to get things done. It has me very positive about the impending experience.

Not 100% sure on that, could be Haulbowline

I know there is definitely co-ordination in the recruit training between all the NSR units

Auldsod
4th September 2018, 14:38
Not 100% sure on that, could be Haulbowline

I know there is definitely co-ordination in the recruit training between all the NSR units

I'll be getting well acquainted with the roads of Munster so.

popeye
4th September 2018, 19:31
NSR Recruit training is all carried out in the Naval Base under the Naval College, the instructors are NSR NCOs who are all SIC 2 qualified. Weekend trains begins on Friday evening when you are expected to report at 22.00 hrs, the 2 weeks full time training is long and hard, early starts and late nights, no shore leave and no drinking. It is hard for a reason , you are joining the Defence Forces. Enjoy it ,it only happens once.

Auldsod
4th September 2018, 19:50
NSR Recruit training is all carried out in the Naval Base under the Naval College, the instructors are NSR NCOs who are all SIC 2 qualified. Weekend trains begins on Friday evening when you are expected to report at 22.00 hrs, the 2 weeks full time training is long and hard, early starts and late nights, no shore leave and no drinking. It is hard for a reason , you are joining the Defence Forces. Enjoy it ,it only happens once.

Hi Popeye, you seem to have some up to date info (I've not heard back from the NSR both PDF or RDF yet). I may hit the phones tomorrow!

Reporting at 22.00 to Haulbowline - can you drive yourself or do you have to take the transport put on (which I'm sure it will be)?

No shore leave or drinking sounds good to me. Better to put the head down and get through to it. Looking forward to the two weeks now. I'm sure it'll be tough but it's still only two weeks which is nothing on what the PDF recruits have to do!

DeV
4th September 2018, 20:03
If your offered transport and it suits you, my advise is take advantage of it - there are enough costs associated with service in the RDF.... you won’t get mileage

2 weeks.... treated the same, doing much (not all) of the same training, held to the same standards, same culture shock etc

Auldsod
4th September 2018, 22:31
If your offered transport and it suits you, my advise is take advantage of it - there are enough costs associated with service in the RDF.... you won’t get mileage



Yeah, I do agree with regards the mileage but the hassle of getting to the NSR location and back again on Sunday would nearly make driving down worthwhile if allowed of course.

popeye
4th September 2018, 23:47
17 People have been notified by e mail as far as I know, transport will be provided so I would advise using it , why use your one when the DF are providing it. the first weekend is all safety briefs and A7 , hopefully kit will be issued as well, training programmes camn and do change, you will meet friends and get to see and do things that most people don't. The class in training were able to visit HMS Diamond when she was in , they were part of a ministerial GOH and were on security for same.
Things are looking up the NSR and the Reserve in general, its an exciting time to be in the reserve, I only wish I was starting again.

Auldsod
5th September 2018, 08:52
I've got the schedule which is great. Great to see how well organised everything is and how much time other reservists are putting into the training giving up their own weekends to progress others.

Late start Friday confirmed so I'm overjoyed anyway. It's averted the cancellation of a holiday and meant I can actually take some Christmas leave!

popeye
5th September 2018, 09:09
Good luck with the training if you spent a year or 40 years in the NSR you will experience things that most people never get to see or do , going to sea with the fleet is a unique experience.

na grohmiti
5th September 2018, 20:07
Worth remembering also for those new to Haulbowline, the car park is quite a distance from anywhere training would take place.

hptmurphy
5th September 2018, 22:11
Good luck with the training if you spent a year or 40 years in the NSR you will experience things that most people never get to see or do , going to sea with the fleet is a unique experience.


Yeah..... so is seasickness!!!!:n:)

popeye
6th September 2018, 08:41
It sure is.