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knocker
10th August 2009, 10:55
Could someone explain the difference between un peace keeping and peace enforcement ? Has the army been involved in peace enforcement ?

SwiftandSure
10th August 2009, 11:12
Is this to do with that DF discussion on the radio with Pat Kenny?

knocker
10th August 2009, 11:17
No swift , havent heard it, what was said ?

SwiftandSure
10th August 2009, 11:50
Try here (http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=134540601213&h=ahMgr&u=2BT_K&ref=mf)

knocker
10th August 2009, 11:51
I am just curious, is peace enforcement a more robust type of role for the army? Have been looking at the discussion on the army serving in afghanistan, would peace enforcement be a stepping stone for any potential deployments to an afghan type deployment ?

DeV
10th August 2009, 12:24
The UN operates a number of different types of missions:

Observer - unarmed officers who will monitor a situation and negotiate locally (eg UNTSO - Middle East)
Peacekeeping - generally lightly armed & equipped force (eg UNIFIL I in Lebanon (the days before the last lot of fighting))
Peace Enforcement - better armed & equipped force (eg MINURCAT in Chad)


The difference is in the Mandate (basically a directive) from the UN Security Council. In a nut shell:

Peacekeeping - you can fire in self defence
Peace Enforcement - you can use "all necessary means" to get peace (that includes firing first)

The rules of engagement will vary from mission to mission and from contingent to contingent - ROEs will not be discussed here as it is an operational matter (unless they are already in the public domain).

DeV
10th August 2009, 12:25
Strictly speaking the first Iraq war could be classed as a peace enforcement mission as it was authorised by the UNSC and authorised the use of all necessary means.

knocker
10th August 2009, 12:44
Cheers swift, question answered. That coalition for peace guy needs a size 11 where the sun dont shine

knocker
13th August 2009, 22:11
Is the mission to Chad the first peace enforcement one for the irish army ?

Goldie fish
13th August 2009, 22:17
No. Being discussed in Other Thread. UNISOM II was the first Peace Enforcement mission Irish Troops participated in, with INTERFET possibly being the first where Irish troops exercised the enforcement mandate.

DeV
13th August 2009, 22:59
Peace enforcement missions Irish troops have been involved in:
UNOSOM II
INTERFET, UNTAET & UNMISET
IFOR
SFOR
KFOR
UNMIL
UNIFIL (after Aug 2006)
EUFOR Chad
MINURSAT

hedgehog
13th August 2009, 23:12
what about ISAF

DeV
14th August 2009, 09:31
Plus ISAF (having said that Irish troops there aren't on the ground too much) also is EUFOR BiH a peace enforcement mission?

Connaught Stranger
14th August 2009, 11:57
Was not the first U.N. Congo Mission (O.N.U.C.) back in the 1960's

not peace enforcement as well?

I have seen it referred to as a "Blue Helmet Mission" as opposed to a "Blue Beret Mission".

Connaught Stranger.:smile:

hedgehog
14th August 2009, 12:16
where did you get your list from Dev

I think there are 1 or 2 missing

DeV
14th August 2009, 12:59
Military.ie but it doesn't say which are peace enforcement and which aren't. According to the site the DF have participated in the following missions:

Artemis June 2003 – Septmber 2003
MINUCI / UNOCI June 2003 - April 2004
MINURSO September 1991 – present
MONUC June 2001 – present
ONUC July 1960 – June 1964
UNAVEM II July 1991 – September 1993
UNMEE November 2000 - June 2003
UNMIL November 2003 - present
UNOSOM II August 1993 – January 1995
UNTAG March 1989 – April 1990
EUFOR Chad/CAR 21 February 2008 - 15 March 2009
MINURCAT 15 March 2009 - present
INTERFET / UNTAET / UNAMET / UNMISET September 1999 – June 2000
ISAF December 2001 - present
OSGA March 1990 - present
UNAMIC November 1991 – March 1992
UNGOMAP April 1988 – 15 March 1990
UNIPOM September 1965 – March 1966
UNMOGIP September 1987 – June 1992
UNSMA July 1996 – October 1999
UNTEA August 1962 – October 1962
UNTAC March 1992 – November 1993
UNMIH September 1994 – March 1996
ONUCA December 1998 – January 1992
ONUSAL January 1992 – May 1994
EUFOR / SFOR December 2004 – present
KFOR August 1999 - present
Operation Concordia / FYROM March 2003 - December 2003
UNFICYP March 1964 – May 2005
UNHCR (Y) December 1992 – March 1993
UNMIK July 1999 - present
UNMLO / UNPROFOR January 1992 – January 1996
UNMOP February 1996 – December 1999
UNPREDEP February 1996 – February 1999
UNTAES February 1996 – January 1998
UNDOF June 1997 – August 1998
UNEF II October 1973 – September 1974
UNIFIL May 1978 - November 2001
UNIIMOG August 1988 – March 1991
UNIKOM April 1991 - March 2003
UNIT June 1984 – July 1988
UNMOVIC / UNSCOM September 1996 – March 2003
UNOGIL June 1958 – December 1958
UNRWA February 1988 – June 1992
UNTSO December 1958 - present
UNNY November 1978 – present


"Blue Beret" and "Blue Helmet" are interchangable, it wouldn't be a reflection on the mandate.

ONUC was a peacekeeping mission