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Saracen
9th November 2009, 07:11
Hello all,

I need photos of the DROPS Container System used by the DF. I'm looking to make a private purchase for my Unit and to assist the retailer, I need three photos of the container fitted with the hooklift system.
Need a photo of the front where the hook attachs to container, of the rear (rollers at base) and an overall photo of the 20 foot ISO Container.
I'm overseas at the moment otherwise I would do it myself.
I would really appreciate anyones help in this. please PM or post on this thread. My thanks will know no bounds....well some knowing some of the posters here!

My thanks to one and all.

Best Regards

Saracen

luchi
9th November 2009, 10:18
Saracen,
AFIK there are pics in the gallery that will help you. I knoiw there are other pics on the web especially of the Scania DROPS with CHU but I can't access them at the moment.
The difference between the Mil Hook and the civvi hook is the thumb which allows the dragging of the rack over rough ground.

As regards the container.
It is a standard ISO 20 Ft container.
The container is mounted on a rack and sacured with standard twist locks.

trellheim
9th November 2009, 12:09
http://gallery.irishmilitaryonline.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1342&g2_serialNumber=2

Saracen
9th November 2009, 12:11
Thanks for your help Luchi. Had a look in the gallery and found two photos of the trucks (Scania/Iveco) but not the container.
There are two types of container, the first is standard ISO 20' TEU Container loaded on a flatrack and the second type, the one I'm looking for, has lifthook attachments c/w rollers at base on opposite side.

Thanks for your help.

S.

luchi
9th November 2009, 12:25
There are two types of container, the first is standard ISO 20' TEU Container loaded on a flatrack and the second type, the one I'm looking for, has lifthook attachments c/w rollers at base on opposite side.

Not being used by us??????

The Scania uses a CHU system that attcahes to the std 20' ISO (as seen here) (http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/album107/aao?full=1) but there are no runners fitted to the container.

Saracen
10th November 2009, 02:21
Yes, the DF use containers with hooklift fittings, however, after extensive research found they are specialised and made to order. Thanks for your input. As a matter of professional interest the next time I'm in the Curragh I'll post a few photos of them.

ZULU
10th November 2009, 08:40
dont know what your up too, but if your looking for ideas in customisation of containers, having a look at www.seabox.com might give you a few ideas

Saracen
10th November 2009, 09:51
Thanks Zulu. The mobile machine shop has the hooklift arrangement I'm looking for but it appears to be a mil spec design only.

Cheers

ZULU
10th November 2009, 10:03
If its for your unit don't you want it this way?

Mil Spec is only a standard, same as STANAG, ISO, same as EC etc.

If your in the market for containers, there are good deals to be had, due to the reduction in inports/exports.

Alot of unused containers out there of good quality that are just taing up space costing money to exporters.

luchi
10th November 2009, 15:32
Possibly in the curragh.
But in Dublin I've only seen the tanker, curtain side units in hooklift format.
I can't remember if the CIS unit was on a rack but I actually think it was hook lift.

REX
10th November 2009, 23:27
I know it's a rarity but Tpt Coy 2LSB did have 1 example of what seems to be the system Saracen is describing. A bracket like a sideways "H" is lowered, using the hook, on to the front of the container. Twist locks are engaged at the top, pins are released to allow the bottom part of the frame to engage with the bottom twist locks

With the hook engaged, and lifting the front of the container, the truck moves backwards (with the handbrake off, the weight of the container will pull the truck underneath it) and the container slides over a series of hinged rollers on both sides of the rear of the truck, and so, up into position for traveling.

When displayed in the transport yard in CBB the civvi operator had the container up, in position, in less than 8 minutes!! Very impressive to be able to do this without the use of a crane to put the container on a flatbed, and all the messing that goes with it.

As far as I know no more were bought, a mistake IMHO, but as I left the Brugha shortly after I could be wrong.

Lucchi is in CBB, AFAIK, so if you ask him nicely he might have a snoop around the transport yard, or speak to the staff down there, to see if it's still around. It is very obviously different but you wouldn't notice it unless you look, when a container is mounted, without a container, you will see the hinged rollers hanging down over the back wheels.

REX
10th November 2009, 23:49
I've been having I rummage around in my pics and I found what seems to be a Scania with the system I described above. The frame is mounted in it's travel position ( also for when a flat bed is in use), forward of the hook, and while it not too clear in this photo the hinged rollers can be seen over the back wheels.

I was obviously wrong when I thought no more were bought:rolleyes:

luchi
11th November 2009, 12:59
Rex thats the CHU. Its on all Scanias but since most ofthem are out in Chad you don't get to see them much.

I am impressed with the 8min. It took us longer just to get the CHU out of the cradle.

I'm in McKee but do regular excurtions to CBB. As it happens I was snooping last night. In both Bks. Found 1 container with CHU attached in McKee and lots of containers stacked in CBB but nothing as described above.

The C1 and C2 containers are stored in the Curragh but I did confirm that they are both hooklift.

luchi
23rd November 2009, 11:31
Ok here we go this is the Scania with the CHU in its stored position

http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4884&stc=1&d=1258975490
With CHU attached to container

http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4882&stc=1&d=1258975457

Rear view of Scania with container not on rack

http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4883&stc=1&d=1258975469

Iveco hook lift.

http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4885&stc=1&d=1258975505

Victor
23rd November 2009, 22:58
Is it the Iveco that has a cab that looks like the American trucks?

luchi
23rd November 2009, 23:32
It's the one that doesn't look like a green civvi truck.
THere is a pic in the gallery and on Military.ie

Truck Driver
24th November 2009, 06:49
Is it the Iveco that has a cab that looks like the American trucks?

The DF doesn't have a truck like that - I am guessing you are thinking
of the Oshkosh (maybe) - which the Logs boys in the BA use ?

Something like this you' re talking about ?

http://www.therangerstation.com/resources/4wd_history/oshkosh_military.jpg

Victor
25th November 2009, 04:18
Presumably I (briefly) saw this http://gallery.irishmilitaryonline.com/main.php?g2_itemId=255 which looked superficially like this http://www.armyrecognition.com/moyen_orient/Emirats_arabe/IDEX_2003_Pictures_Gallery/IDEX_2005/pictures_4/Oshkosh_truck_army_recognition_IDEX_2005_02.jpg

Truck Driver
25th November 2009, 06:57
Presumably I (briefly) saw this http://gallery.irishmilitaryonline.com/main.php?g2_itemId=255 which looked superficially like this http://www.armyrecognition.com/moyen_orient/Emirats_arabe/IDEX_2003_Pictures_Gallery/IDEX_2005/pictures_4/Oshkosh_truck_army_recognition_IDEX_2005_02.jpg

Well, at a fast glance, they look similar, I s'pose

luchi
3rd March 2010, 09:07
now for some dedicated units.

http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5052&d=1267606833

5052

http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5053&d=1267606845

5053

You will note the lack of dolly wheels on the container. Doesn't exactly aid dropping off. I wasn't able to get a good look underneath so I don't know if this is designed as DROPS or CHU

http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5054&d=1267606861

5054

Bayern Fan
3rd March 2010, 10:27
[QUOTE=luchi;290754]now for some dedicated units.

http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5052&d=1267606833

5052

http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5053&d=1267606845

5053

You will note the lack of dolly wheels on the container. Doesn't exactly aid dropping off. I wasn't able to get a good look underneath so I don't know if this is designed as DROPS or CHU



Official titlle is C2 container not CIS container.

luchi
3rd March 2010, 15:21
Thanks

Wasn't sure if this was the C1 or C2 hence the ref as CIS.

I have only seen the C2 in transport mode as I loaded it on the DROPS.

sofa
3rd March 2010, 20:01
now for some dedicated units.

http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5052&d=1267606833

5052

http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5053&d=1267606845

5053

You will note the lack of dolly wheels on the container. Doesn't exactly aid dropping off. I wasn't able to get a good look underneath so I don't know if this is designed as DROPS or CHU

http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5054&d=1267606861

5054

Going through Crumlin in January and saw one of these trucks pulling up one of those tanks, or something like it, on to its back in a national school grounds