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  • British Army's 19 Light Brigade to be disbanded.

    The brigade, which has its headquarters in Northern Ireland, is to be disbanded, the Ministry of Defence has said.

    The MoD said the 2,000 soldiers of the 19 Light Brigade will be redeployed to other units.

    Its regiments include 2 Rifles based at Ballykinlar, County Down and 2 Mercian based at Palace Barracks in Holywood.


    read more here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14203450

    overall not good news, except for 2RIFLES and others who are keen to return to England.
    Last edited by RoyalGreenJacket; 21 July 2011, 12:42.
    RGJ

    ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

    The Rifles

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    The regular units are still being based in NI however they will deploy with other brigades. 38 (Irish ) brigade are still working as the TA formation currently.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by rod and serpent View Post
      The regular units are still being based in NI however they will deploy with other brigades. 38 (Irish ) brigade are still working as the TA formation currently.
      plans are afoot to move some of the units, in particular 2RIFLES.

      Keogh Barracks (a place i know you know well R&S) is being touted as a possible new home for them.

      we wait and see as we draw down and get ever smaller but hopefully still as potent.
      Last edited by RoyalGreenJacket; 21 July 2011, 11:53.
      RGJ

      ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

      The Rifles

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      • #4
        Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
        plans are afoot to move some of the units, in particular 2RIFLES.

        Keogh Barracks (a place i know you know well R&S) is being touted as a possible new home for them.

        we wait and see as we draw down and get ever smaller but hopefully still as potent.
        Yes , the RIFLES are moving back to England, however I dont think its to Keogh Bks, apparently the RLC had first call on that one.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by rod and serpent View Post
          Yes , the RIFLES are moving back to England, however I dont think its to Keogh Bks, apparently the RLC had first call on that one.
          either way - the RAMC will be gutted, it's not a bad spot.
          RGJ

          ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

          The Rifles

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
            The brigade, which has its headquarters in Northern Ireland, is to be disbanded, the Ministry of Defence has said.

            The MoD said the 2,000 soldiers of the 19 Light Brigade will be redeployed to other units.

            Its regiments include 2 Rifles based at Ballykinlar, County Down and 2 Mercian based at Palace Barracks in Holywood.


            read more here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14203450

            overall not good news, except for 2RIFLES and others who are keen to return to England.
            Originally posted by rod and serpent View Post
            The regular units are still being based in NI however they will deploy with other brigades. 38 (Irish ) brigade are still working as the TA formation currently.
            They are getting rid of the formation HQ (ie 19 Light Bde isn't going to be one of the multi-role brigades), the units there may not be moved they will just report to a new Bde HQ.

            There are going to be major changes to the TA including the fact that they will no longer report to 3 different Regional/Regenerative HQs, all TA units will report to a single divisional level HQ.

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            • #7
              DEFENCE TRANSFORMATION – Secretary of State for Defence:

              With the move to five Multi-Role Brigades we have concluded that 19 Light Brigade in Northern Ireland will be disbanded. Other Units returning from Germany will move into those bases vacated and we remain committed to maintaining a permanent military garrison in Northern Ireland.
              still a decent presence in NI but there will be some shuffling and movement.
              RGJ

              ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

              The Rifles

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              • #8
                Leaving the PDF to join a BA unit in a Bde being disbanded...unluckaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.
                Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by The real Jack View Post
                  Leaving the PDF to join a BA unit in a Bde being disbanded...unluckaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.
                  how is it unlucky?

                  it will just be in a different Brigade - all it really means is a different badge on your left arm.

                  his Battalion is not being disbanded.

                  aspiring to be a soldier in a country that is not recruiting - now that's 'unluckaaaaaaaaaaaaaay'
                  Last edited by RoyalGreenJacket; 21 July 2011, 17:14.
                  RGJ

                  ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

                  The Rifles

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                  • #10
                    Another example of a disbanded Brigade.

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                    • #11
                      Once-mighty Britannia now virtually unarmed


                      Britain's army is now smaller than at any time since the Boer War, its air force at 1914 levels and the Royal Navy as small as Henry VIII's. It's presented as sound strategic policy but, Canadians and Americans take note, it really came from the welfare state's intellectual, moral and fiscal bankruptcy.

                      Britain's armed forces are clearly no longer adequate to the global role London still seeks. Last month the head of Royal Air Force combat operations warned the Libya turkey shoot was threatening the RAF's capabilities and ruining morale, and the head of the navy said it was unsustainable for the fleet.

                      A Parliamentary committee just complained of government lies about bad equipment in a 2006 Afghan deployment. But MPs have only themselves to blame. They pass Britain's defence budgets and had ample warnings, including the Duke of York's blunt remarks to an engineering firm last November. In 2006 some paratroopers refused to patrol in Afghanistan until the Ministry of Defence replaced defective cut-rate machine gun ammunition from Eastern Europe; that same year the army stopped all parachute training for the first time since the Second World War. In 2004, a former chief of defence staff publicly warned that cutbacks had left the army "dangerously small and over-committed" and said ministers did "not understand" the military. And the press reported back in 2000 that navy recruits were ordered to shout "Bang!" instead of firing shells during training.

                      Whatever its strategic merits, this hasty disarmament has been deeply undemocratic. The public was not warned beforehand, consulted during it or informed afterward.

                      It is not even clear that the politicians understood what they were doing. Tony Blair's "Cool Britannia" program never included disarmament or crippling deficits. Instead, as prime minister from 1997 to 2007, he sent the armed forces everywhere from Iraq to Sierra Leone and Afghanistan while gutting them. In 2004, typically, he made Britain's navy smaller than France's for the first time in more than three centuries ... then asked officials for plans to intervene in Sudan. Which lies over the ocean.

                      By 2007, Britain was spending less of its GDP on defence than since 1930, down to 2.5% from 4.4% two decades earlier. Yet Blair's hapless successor Gordon Brown repeatedly boasted that Labour governments boosted real military spending every year, before ingloriously admitting they cut it at least three times.

                      The result is chaos, not prudence. This February, the RAF dumped a quarter of its trainee pilots, some nearly ready, and a month later yanked flyers from air shows for Libya. It also scrapped a £4-billion fleet of Nimrod MRA4 surveillance aircraft, destroying nearly-completed airframes in a spectacular display of mindless waste. And the navy's two new £3-billion aircraft carriers dramatically announced in 2007 they won't get any fighter planes while one will be mothballed in three years ... if they can afford mothballs.

                      The government still denies there's a problem. Following a public rebuke in November from Barack Obama's administration, "a source" told journalists Prime Minister David Cameron had intervened and "the army will be protected." Cameron then soothingly told Parliament: "we need to be more thoughtful, more strategic and more co-ordinated", echoing a defence secretary's "agile, flexible and deployable" 2004 line. Yet nimble forces like the fabled SAS keep getting slashed. Why?

                      Simple: A budget deficit of 10% of Britain's £1.4-trillion ($2.5-trillion) GDP and a national debt nearing a trillion pounds. As current Defence Secretary Liam Fox told the Daily Telegraph: "We don't have the money as a country to protect ourselves against every potential future threat."

                      These budgetary problems didn't come from defence, which barely kept pace with economic growth in the Blair years, and at £36 billion is about 1/4 of Britain's £121-billion deficit and 1/20th of total spending. They came from monsters like health, which more than doubled in real terms from £44.9 billion to £101.6 billion. But defence cannot withstand the fiscal storm brought about by runaway social programs.

                      Thus Britain is brought down at last. Not by Napoleon, Hitler or Phillip II, but by its own governments bent on buying votes and citizens bent on selling them. It's sordid and potentially tragic. And there's no end in sight ... except to once-mighty Britannia.



                      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                      • #12
                        British Army cutbacks

                        The British Army will in future consist of just five large multi-role brigades, each with approx. 6,500 personnel. Each brigade will have

                        One armoured regiment - tanks
                        One armoured reconnaissance regiment - Scimitars, to be eventually replaced by ASCOD Scouts
                        One armoured infantry battalion - Warrior Armoured Fighting Vehicles
                        One mechanised infantry battalion - FV432 Bulldog armoured vehicles
                        Two light role infantry battalions

                        (Still too many and varied expensive tracked vehicles, IMHO. Is there a need three different tracked AFVs? What the British Army needs is a decent wheeled APC, like the Mowag.)

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                        • #13
                          Goldie fish;343685]Once-mighty Britannia now virtually unarmed
                          The Swiss also have plans for a reduced army. But by 2015 the Swiss Army will be bigger than the British Army but because of their mobilisation structure will be able to actually field 3 times more soldiers in the first 24 hours of a call-up.

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                          • #14
                            So it becomes little more than a quick reaction force for NATO or the US.

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                            • #15
                              Those tanks and AFVs aren't going anywhere quickly.

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