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wiseblood
3rd January 2015, 13:48
Hello all

Just a quick question regarding RDF Training, physicality and fitness.
I have recently applied, passed the fitness test, the interview and am awaiting call for the medical for the RDF based here in the North West. I was just wondering what is expected and required in terms of physicality of training, what takes place and what one would be expected to be able to do and achieve. I am in no way put off by the physical challenge and I am in very good fitness myself, I am just interested as to what I can expect.

Any Information and help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

DeV
3rd January 2015, 15:06
Most of the fitness will have to be in your own time AFAIK

The annual fitness test is in 3 parts:
Part 1 - BMI / body calipers
Part 2 - graded push ups for 1 min, graded sit ups for 1 min, graded 3.2km/2mile run (in sports gear)
Part 3 - graded graded 10km loading march (carrying 14kg/30lbs) cross country (wearing uniform, boots, etc)

By graded I mean, there are 6 grades (1 being the best, 4 being a pass, 5&6 being a fail)
You must get min grade 4 in each (push ups/sit ups/2 mile/10km) to pass each. The grade you get in part 2 is an average of the 3 results in the 3 exercises.

A failure in any part of part 2 is a failure overall.

Some courses require to get better than grade 4.

The amount of exercises / time you have varies depending on your age group.

From memory (so subject to correction) for a male under 30 grade 4 is min:
Push ups 32
Sit ups 35
2 miles 15:30 mins
10km 99 mins


That is the formal test to get through training you will need a good level of overall fitness, training will include crawling while carrying weight etc

wiseblood
3rd January 2015, 15:15
Thank you very much for your quick reply
As I said, I am in good fitness, I compete in triathlons,marathons etc so I am in no way scared of what lies ahead. I am also 33 so I have been told that any fitness tests from now on will reflect and by graded taking my age into account.
The 32 push ups and 35 sit ups, are they timed as a matter of interest.

DeV
4th January 2015, 01:21
Push ups and sit ups - you have 60 secs to do as many as you can ;
(You have a min number you have to do in that time to pass

wiseblood
5th January 2015, 15:15
Thanks for that.

I know each Coy is different but can one expect any great deal of physical stuff during weekly classes at recruit camp etc?

Truck Driver
27th January 2015, 21:13
Thank you very much for your quick reply
As I said, I am in good fitness, I compete in triathlons,marathons etc so I am in no way scared of what lies ahead. I am also 33 so I have been told that any fitness tests from now on will reflect and by graded taking my age into account.
The 32 push ups and 35 sit ups, are they timed as a matter of interest.

If you are doing triathlons, etc., you will likely be scoring high in your fitness tests
And yes, you are scored for a 1 minute duration on your press up and sit up tests

As Dev said, the requirements are on a downward sliding scale as you get older (e.g. more time for a 33 yr old for the
3.2km run versus the time required for a 20 yr old, etc etc)

You are a rarity in that folks of your age don't tend to enlist in the RDF in large numbers

Best of luck with the training

DeV
27th January 2015, 23:10
Thanks for that.

I know each Coy is different but can one expect any great deal of physical stuff during weekly classes at recruit camp etc?

Too much other things to fit into a very short period of time unfortunately

kaiser
28th January 2015, 19:47
[QUOTE=DeV;421746]Most of the fitness will have to be in your own time AFAIK

The annual fitness test is in 3 parts:
Part 1 - BMI / body calipers

The body calipers Are only for people who have high bmi ( fat ba****ds) as they are known ..

DeV
28th January 2015, 21:46
Correct

apod
28th January 2015, 21:48
The body calipers Are only for people who have high bmi ( fat ba****ds) as they are known ..
I know a couple of guys who have to have a Calipers test every year but yet go on to score Grade 1 consistently.Remember muscle weighs more than fat;)

na grohmiti
28th January 2015, 22:06
John Hayes, Rugby player would fit the criteria requiring body calipers when he was winning games for Ireland and Munster.

http://www.sporting-heroes.net/content/thumbnails/00033/03235-zoom.jpg


I'll pass on his address so you can call him a fat b'stard to his face.
I'll even throw in the stepladder.

trellheim
28th January 2015, 22:31
I caliper every year I do the IT's ( 8 out of 10 now ) and have never done worse than GIII. Grade 1 last year and trying for the same this year.

Truck Driver
28th January 2015, 22:33
....The body calipers Are only for people who have high bmi ( fat ba****ds) as they are known ..

First part of the statement - correct
If your BMI is confirmed as being 30 or over, then it automatically triggers a body fat check as per requirements of Part I
The bit in brackets - not necessarily true, as mentioned by Apod and Na Grohmiti

Truck Driver
28th January 2015, 22:35
john hayes, rugby player would fit the criteria requiring body calipers when he was winning games for ireland and munster.
I'll pass on his address so you can call him a fat b'stard to his face.
I'll even throw in the stepladder.

lmfao.... :-d

Fridge Magnet
28th January 2015, 23:07
Just as an aside, muscle does not weigh more than fat. A pound is a pound, a kilogram is a kilogram. Muscle is more dense than fat, as such it takes up less space than fat, so if you were to measure by volume it may seem like more, which I'd imagine is where the confusion comes from.

As pointed out above, the BMI scale isn't the be all and end all and in my opinion, is just a lazy way of screening people. The calliper's are far better and much more accurate.

Flamingo
28th January 2015, 23:10
I used to have to work around this problem when I ran an Orthopaedic Day Surgery unit. Part of the suitability criteria was a BMI of over 35 could not be considered for day surgery, but every so often I would get a fit bodybuilder in, and then spend the rest of the morning trying to track the anaesthetist down to get approval to exempt them from the guidelines...

kaiser
29th January 2015, 10:11
Never new john Hayes was a member of the DF? So all the guys getting calipers are international athletes buy shape and fitness??
No I don't think so id say possible over 90% are over weight / fat!! We are being to pc on the issue incase we hurt feelings..
Guys going down for easy IT,s once a year and scrap by on bmi is not good enough FACT..
Sorry if this for some makes me like the bully in the school yard but I it offends chances are your the problem!!! So hide behind john Hayes all you want over weight is over weight..
Bad for your health bad for the DF in image and in your abilities with certain tasks

morpheus
29th January 2015, 10:35
Im 38 now and have so far managed to get a grade 1 in my last test - for the youngest age group.
My philosophy is simple, train hard, fight easy, live long.

The fitness of the machine which carries your consciousness (body) and by extension, your "general" health is one of the few assets you're given at birth which cannot be taken from you without at least some cooperation on your own behalf.

If a guy/girl is overweight? so what, get them to stop b*thching about it and encourage them to want to put down the pies and pull on the gym gear, we all struggle with our own weight / body at some point. At minute im trying to remove a soft lumpy front and sides, whilst im still fit, going running and feeling this wee bit of a gut jiggling under the thermal layer is disgusting to me.

Ive seen all sorts of carryon on the ITs , in general though i got the impression that whilst most everyone was out to do well, there were some there who wanted to just about pass and Ive seen PTL's under PTI supervision, let people away with some of the most woeful pushups and situps imaginable.

Flamingo
29th January 2015, 12:02
I know from my day, I could do sit-ups and press-ups no problem, put any weight bergin on and walk all day with it no problem at a steady 3-4 miles an hour, but I really struggled with the running. I used to train, I used to pass (most of the time) but I HATED it! When I came out I swore I was never running again!

This was my bible when it came to training:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Royal-Marines-Total-Fitness-Programme/dp/0091776996

Barry
29th January 2015, 12:22
Just as an aside, muscle does not weigh more than fat. A pound is a pound, a kilogram is a kilogram. Muscle is more dense than fat, as such it takes up less space than fat, so if you were to measure by volume it may seem like more, which I'd imagine is where the confusion comes from.

As pointed out above, the BMI scale isn't the be all and end all and in my opinion, is just a lazy way of screening people. The calliper's are far better and much more accurate.
BMI also assumes that body fat scales with the square of your height, which isn't true - theoretically you'd think it'd be more like 3, but I once read an article that said a power of 2.3 or so is closer to reality. Most of the rugby players that people like to point as examples of healthy people with high BMIs at also happen to be quite tall, and thus their BMI is higher than it would be for someone of similar build who is of normal height.

The real Jack
29th January 2015, 12:39
There's a chef in 1bde that is an absolute unit - I doubt he has dpms as there's no ****ing way they'd fit him. His bmi would be completely ridiculous.... Then again he mightn't be all that great at the running around thing.....

DeV
29th January 2015, 17:11
BMI also assumes that body fat scales with the square of your height, which isn't true - theoretically you'd think it'd be more like 3, but I once read an article that said a power of 2.3 or so is closer to reality. Most of the rugby players that people like to point as examples of healthy people with high BMIs at also happen to be quite tall, and thus their BMI is higher than it would be for someone of similar build who is of normal height.

If your 70kg and:
1.5 metres your obsese
1.6 metres your overweight
1.7 metres your normal
2 metres your underweight

Barry
29th January 2015, 19:10
If your 70kg and:
1.5 metres your obsese
1.6 metres your overweight
1.7 metres your normal
2 metres your underweight
You're*

Isn't the minimum height still 5' 4"?

DeV
2nd March 2015, 11:36
You're*

Isn't the minimum height still 5' 4"?

157.48 cm / 5 ft 2 in

Flamingo
2nd March 2015, 22:07
If your 70kg and:
1.5 metres your obsese
1.6 metres your overweight
1.7 metres your normal
2 metres your underweight
I'm not fat - I'm just too short.

morpheus
12th March 2015, 11:12
so just got the times and dates for 2Bde fitness tests
all on a weekday early in the morning, parts 1+2 on one day and part 3 on second day - as per normal.
FML
However just one day is set aside to accomodate the RDF
a Thursday evening
at 6pm
on which parts 1,2 and 3 will all be held on the same night.

trellheim
12th March 2015, 11:59
on the other side of the coin in my AO RDF IT's were cancelled by the tester last weekend because only 4 people had put their names down. I'd been training and was ready. Me and my 3 lads were good to go but could any other RDF units get off their hole ? Tester was absolutely right - not coming in for 4. ( and it was Sat and Sun for Part III ). Wasn't a lack of knowledge they were on either; they were all briefed for the date in mid december ).

Swings and roundabouts lads.

DeV
12th March 2015, 12:16
on the other side of the coin in my AO RDF IT's were cancelled by the tester last weekend because only 4 people had put their names down. I'd been training and was ready. Me and my 3 lads were good to go but could any other RDF units get off their hole ? Tester was absolutely right - not coming in for 4. ( and it was Sat and Sun for Part III ). Wasn't a lack of knowledge they were on either; they were all briefed for the date in mid december ).

Swings and roundabouts lads.

Check PMs

Pegasus
12th March 2015, 13:35
I thought you weren't allowed to run parts 1,2 and 3 together on the same day.

morpheus
12th March 2015, 16:39
I thought you weren't allowed to run parts 1,2 and 3 together on the same day.

This is the info I had on my PTL course.

Now this info i recieved on the dates may be a typo so ive sent a req for clarification back to coy HQ.
we shall wait n see

trellheim
12th March 2015, 17:24
You aren't allowed do 1,2,3 on same day

Truck Driver
12th March 2015, 20:01
Well, I won't be doing ITs until my medical is boxed off...

Truck Driver
12th March 2015, 20:02
I thought you weren't allowed to run parts 1,2 and 3 together on the same day.

You are correct - they are conducted on consecutive days

DeV
12th March 2015, 22:30
You are correct - they are conducted on consecutive days

They are normally conducted that way but you actually have up to 8 weeks after succesfully completing parts 1&2

morpheus
5th June 2015, 10:26
Turned up in McKee last night with a bunch of other lads to participate in sceduled PMS'd fitness tests, for me part 3, at 6pm

waited 45 minutes

BPO didnt turn up, and never bothered to inform us that he wouldn't be around

waste of my f**king time anf f**k all i can do about it.

Also, flag was at half mast... anyone know why?

FMP
5th June 2015, 10:35
Turned up in McKee last night with a bunch of other lads to participate in sceduled PMS'd fitness tests, for me part 3, at 6pm

waited 45 minutes

BPO didnt turn up, and never bothered to inform us that he wouldn't be around

waste of my f**king time anf f**k all i can do about it.

Also, flag was at half mast... anyone know why?

F@@king bad drills there by that man. If you take the time to do whats required of you, least he could do is the same. Not turning up for a scheduled training session ,,,, chargeable offence!

RF: Flag, dead people in China?

morpheus
5th June 2015, 11:29
well, im not saying he didnt turn up for a scheduled event, im saying the gym had a notice in the window saying closed today at 1630pm and the individual in question either told someone who didnt pass it on or just didnt bother to turn up. i dont mind a legitimate reason, but i do mind taking time off work to get across there on time and putting my evening on hold to participate. found the BOS and got him to mark my name down at the gate as having turned up for a scheduled IT part 3. also I heard from a mate who was on duty that same situation happened this week when a van load arrived down from finner camp one morning to do a scheduled fitness test and guess what? the BPO didnt turn up. dunno was it the same person.

DeV
5th June 2015, 12:14
There is other possibilities. Maybe the BPEO wasn't detailed or was on another detail.

Check your PMs

trellheim
5th June 2015, 13:42
This is the DF we are talking about and RDF can be just as guilty. Did you ring the Gym PERSONALLY and ensure it was boxed off for 10 bods etc and a verbal commitment that it was going ahead, plus a mobile number to ensure if cancelled, plus up on PMS as "Fit to Undergo" Gym NCO wont sort it but he should be able to let you know if BPEO is supposed to be there and duty BPEO's mobile number and get one of your officers to phone her/him and see what the story is.

But if you've done all that and no show on tester's part - that's an issue

The published IT's are not for ad-hoc attendance - you have to do the above ^^^^^

Pegasus
5th June 2015, 14:06
The ITS were moved to the 12th of June due to other DF sporting events (probably the triathlon). But the notice about the change went out at least two weeks ago.

trellheim
5th June 2015, 14:27
on IKON was it ?

Pegasus
5th June 2015, 14:31
It was read out at parade. Plus, it was up on the notice board.

morpheus
5th June 2015, 14:52
The above process you mention has never to date been told to me

all ive heard this year is that you are now on the PMS system, failure to turn up on a date is not acceptable

we receive an email and a text from the units cadre informing us of the date we are supposed to go on

to my knowledge our unit phoned the gym a few times yesterday but got no answer and as I was instructed to attend and so i did.

where will i get all of the contact details?

how do i find out who the BPEO or the GYM nco is?

how do i read this notice board? where is it located? bear in mind my own HQ is not mckee

I wasnt at this parade it was read out on :)

im still pi$$ed off.

Bravo20
5th June 2015, 15:04
Essentially it is up to your unit to communicate changes to the affected people. If as Pegasus said it was read out at parade and published on his unit's notice board then it is fair to assume that the same information was available to your unit (Pegasus' unit HQ is not McKee either). So it would appear that those tasked with co-ordinating this at your unit level did not do their job and ensure the information was passed on. I would also hold your CS to task as at this stage he should be tapped into unit information flow through the Sgt Major and the other CS's, if he is not then maybe he should consider doing something else.

DeV
5th June 2015, 15:08
The DF expects everyone to know to ask in a situation like this, where logic says if something is cancelled that you said you would attend you will be told.

trellheim
5th June 2015, 16:31
meh I'd expect 3* to turn up without checking but anyone else ....


to my knowledge our unit phoned the gym a few times yesterday but got no answer and as I was instructed to attend and so i did.

where will i get all of the contact details?

how do i find out who the BPEO or the GYM nco is?

how do i read this notice board? where is it located? bear in mind my own HQ is not mckee


Dial Defence Forces main number at 0905 or 0915 in the morning ( NOT LATER )


"Hello Defence Forces" .. "Can you put me through to McKee Gym"


The person at the other end should give you all you need

morpheus
5th June 2015, 16:38
they only operated this service for FIFTEEN MINUTES A DAY!!!???
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trellheim
5th June 2015, 17:07
gyms tend to be manned by people who are active ....

DeV
6th June 2015, 00:04
gyms tend to be manned by people who are active ....


Active doesn't necessarily mean waiting for the phone to ring

Craghopper
6th June 2015, 00:41
You aren't allowed do 1,2,3 on same day

RDF you're referring to .. I've done it numerous times.

kaiser
6th June 2015, 13:03
Parts 1,2,3 can and have been done on one day but you can not be pms,d for all three un one day also the bpeo will not sign the same date on the 717

trellheim
6th June 2015, 13:37
exactly ... kaiser is usually right. TI 05/07 Para 13(e) "Test 3 must be attempted within eight (8) weeks of the successful completion of Parts 1 and 2. Part 3 will NOT be attempted on the same day as Part 1&2"

Craghopper
6th June 2015, 14:46
exactly ... kaiser is usually right. TI 05/07 Para 13(e) "Test 3 must be attempted within eight (8) weeks of the successful completion of Parts 1 and 2. Part 3 will NOT be attempted on the same day as Part 1&2"


Well, this time he is wrong.. I've done it for career courses and overseas and it has been signed off in the one day.. Parts 1&2 in the morning and part three in the afternoon... May have not been put on the PMS but he did sign it off on the same day on my 717.

DeV
6th June 2015, 14:57
It did definitely used to say not the same day, the current one doesn't

kaiser
6th June 2015, 15:10
Its a health and safety issue, it does happen but its not ment to , if the bpeo signed of on it all the same day he is hole open. The results go on the pms and can be printed of and i bet you your part three will print out as a different date FACT

Craghopper
6th June 2015, 19:29
Its a health and safety issue, it does happen but its not ment to , if the bpeo signed of on it all the same day he is hole open. The results go on the pms and can be printed of and i bet you your part three will print out as a different date FACT

Yes, I'm in agreement. This H&S issue is bullshit !! we're soldiers FFS.. Hold on enemy, I've done enough running today so I can't fight for the rest of the day!

Craghopper
6th June 2015, 19:30
It did definitely used to say not the same day, the current one doesn't

It was in 2007 and 2009 I did it on the same day.

Truck Driver
6th June 2015, 20:52
RDF you're referring to .. I've done it numerous times.

Parts 1 and 2 done on Day 1 and Part 3 on Day 2 in my location anyways
- and that's not RDF either

Craghopper
6th June 2015, 21:08
Parts 1 and 2 done on Day 1 and Part 3 on Day 2 in my location anyways
- and that's not RDF either

I should have phrased my response better I'll admit. I have in the past, done parts I, II and III in the same day. I'll agree it's not the done thing normally.

BrennanKildare
6th November 2015, 20:20
Hello anybody give me any information on the questions il be asked in the interview and a heads up please . passed fitness and physcometric test but havent got date for interview said they will be i contact due course .