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Teabags
12th July 2015, 23:16
Hi

I was wondering if anyone can tell me if a naval recruit is considered Admin or any branch other than Admin, the reason why I am asking this is that it says the following about the eyesight requirements on the military.ie website

Naval Service (Admin):

Applicants must meet one of the following criteria:

Unaided vision of not less than 6/6 in one eye 6/9 in the other.
Unaided vision less than 1) above, but which is not less than either 6/12 in each eye OR 6/6 in the right eye and 6/36 in the left eye.
Unaided vision of not less than 6/36 in each eye, and can be corrected to not less than 6/6 in one eye and 6/9 in the other.
Normal colour vision


Naval Service (Any Branch other than Admin):

Unaided vision must be not less than 6/6 in one eye 6/9 in the other.
Night vision must be normal.
Normal colour vision.
- See more at: http://www.military.ie/careers/faq/#sthash.tczVwR9e.dpuf

Teabags
13th July 2015, 15:15
Hi Guys

I was able to get the answer from the recruitement section of the DC. Just incase anyone else has been wondering this is what I was told

The eyesight requirements for recruits are as follows

Applicants must meet one of the following criteria:

Unaided vision of not less than 6/6 in one eye 6/9 in the other.
Unaided vision less than 1) above, but which is not less than either 6/12 in each eye OR 6/6 in the right eye and 6/36 in the left eye.
Unaided vision of not less than 6/36 in each eye, and can be corrected to not less than 6/6 in one eye and 6/9 in the other.
Normal colour vision

It is only after you have done your two years that it will then affect you when deciding what branch of the Navy you want to have a career in.

ancientmariner
14th July 2015, 23:18
Hi Guys

I was able to get the answer from the recruitement section of the DC. Just incase anyone else has been wondering this is what I was told

The eyesight requirements for recruits are as follows

Applicants must meet one of the following criteria:

Unaided vision of not less than 6/6 in one eye 6/9 in the other.
Unaided vision less than 1) above, but which is not less than either 6/12 in each eye OR 6/6 in the right eye and 6/36 in the left eye.
Unaided vision of not less than 6/36 in each eye, and can be corrected to not less than 6/6 in one eye and 6/9 in the other.
Normal colour vision

It is only after you have done your two years that it will then affect you when deciding what branch of the Navy you want to have a career in.

The major change in all services but particularly the Navy is that wearing glasses need not prejudice an operational career choice.

na grohmiti
14th July 2015, 23:53
About time. People were going off getting ultimately harmful laser treatment to pass a medical.

Sluggie
8th March 2019, 18:41
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/naval-eyesight-anomaly-stillin-place-despite-year-old-promise-909534.html

na grohmiti
8th March 2019, 19:47
Given that the current FOCNS wears spectacles, and has done for the majority of his career, surely this should be an easy fix?

DeV
8th March 2019, 22:01
DFR would require Amendment (as far as I know it’s a DFR not an Admin Inst) so requires a will from the Department (with a very very easy fix) to do a find & replace in a Word document and then find the Minister and for him to sign it.


So far from an easy fix in DoD


Now in fairness much quicker fix than the much more complex R5 (tongue not in cheek) but even basic changes to R5 have been required since 2012 and still not made.




It is a real pity this was not amended pre the new competition...... although maybe just maybe that’s why it isn’t available to apply for yet

ancientmariner
10th March 2019, 20:06
DFR would require Amendment (as far as I know it’s a DFR not an Admin Inst) so requires a will from the Department (with a very very easy fix) to do a find & replace in a Word document and then find the Minister and for him to sign it.


So far from an easy fix in DoD


Now in fairness much quicker fix than the much more complex R5 (tongue not in cheek) but even basic changes to R5 have been required since 2012 and still not made.




It is a real pity this was not amended pre the new competition...... although maybe just maybe that’s why it isn’t available to apply for yet

There is a general inertia within Civil Service Departments whereby, modern approaches and conditions of employment are not kept in line with the common international standards, that would for instance, be available by googling or purchasing a copy of the relevant QR and AI on eyesight requirements for all British Services. The question is who owns DFR's and who should see to maintaining their relevance to the modern age . Is it a Department document or a PDF document but whichever it is , it needs updating to meet required acceptable standards. I wore bifocals from age 50 and bumped into nothing or nobody. Just as an aside USAF fighter pilots are fitted with prescription helmet visors so that an eyeglass wearer can be a Top Dog.!!

na grohmiti
10th March 2019, 20:47
Surely the Dept of Transport standard for watchkeepers should be the minimum standard?

DeV
10th March 2019, 21:01
There is a general inertia within Civil Service Departments whereby, modern approaches and conditions of employment are not kept in line with the common international standards, that would for instance, be available by googling or purchasing a copy of the relevant QR and AI on eyesight requirements for all British Services. The question is who owns DFR's and who should see to maintaining their relevance to the modern age . Is it a Department document or a PDF document but whichever it is , it needs updating to meet required acceptable standards. I wore bifocals from age 50 and bumped into nothing or nobody. Just as an aside USAF fighter pilots are fitted with prescription helmet visors so that an eyeglass wearer can be a Top Dog.!!

It’s well and truly DoD control for DFRs, Admin Instrs is the relevant DCOS, GROs is I think COS

Sluggie
12th March 2019, 00:05
Surely the Dept of Transport standard for watchkeepers should be the minimum standard?

Please refrain from talking sense. It will only make them angry.

na grohmiti
12th March 2019, 00:41
I apologise. What was I thinking. And me a civil servant for 15 odd years..

golden rivet
13th March 2019, 18:55
port or starboard...red or green... ...jaysus me thinks its blue.....

DeV
10th April 2019, 18:12
According to RDFRA Facebook page, the NSR eyesight requirements have been revised to match the NS

Auldsod
10th April 2019, 19:13
According to RDFRA Facebook page, the NSR eyesight requirements have been revised to match the NS

Not quite exactly what's happened. All NSR are Seaman's division which requires Grade 1 eyesight. The requirements for the other NS divisions are lower.

NSR recruits (seaman's division by default) now only require the lower visual acuity grade 3. So it's in line with other areas of the NS but now not in line with the same branch in the NS. Should help recruitment though.

Sluggie
14th April 2019, 01:30
Not quite exactly what's happened. All NSR are Seaman's division which requires Grade 1 eyesight. The requirements for the other NS divisions are lower.

NSR recruits (seaman's division by default) now only require the lower visual acuity grade 3. So it's in line with other areas of the NS but now not in line with the same branch in the NS. Should help recruitment though.

Eyesight for NS Seaman's branch has also been reduced to grade 3 by an amendment to Admin instruction A10. The NS and NSR are fully in synch on this matter.

Auldsod
14th April 2019, 10:15
Eyesight for NS Seaman's branch has also been reduced to grade 3 by an amendment to Admin instruction A10. The NS and NSR are fully in synch on this matter.

I wasn't aware that the NS Seaman's branch had also changed. It certainly makes sense for a number of reasons.

- A variance with the NSR was never going to helpful going forward. No 'lower standard'.
- Better for recruiting.
- Realistically vision can be corrected and many in for a few years will find their vision will move out of the initial high standard with time anyway.