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Gribben
22nd July 2018, 05:52
I'm going to apply for a Cadetship once I finish college next year but I know a lot of people who have applied for it and didn't get in.

If I end up on that boat are there any routes to a commission through general service for let's say a private or a corporal with a decent University degree?

DeV
22nd July 2018, 07:24
If you are serving in the PDF you can still apply for a cadetship in exactly the same way up to the age limit.

The other route is commissioning from the ranks where you need to be a NCO but those courses are only run every 10 years or so (there is a course on at the minute).

Fantasia
22nd July 2018, 09:00
The 10th Potential Officer Course is on now. As the name suggests it is only the 10th one that has ever been run.

Provided you meet the age requirements, there are quite a few enlisted soldiers that get selected for a cadetship.

The DF have not done a direct comissioning from the ranks in decades and other than a judge and medical officers, have not had direct entrant PDF officers 15 years

northie
22nd July 2018, 09:29
I'm going to apply for a Cadetship once I finish college next year but I know a lot of people who have applied for it and didn't get in.

If I end up on that boat are there any routes to a commission through general service for let's say a private or a corporal with a decent University degree?

Yes, apply for a Cadetship as a serving private. There are now plenty of officers that have come up through the ranks this way in recent years. 20% of some cadet classes in fact.

trellheim
22nd July 2018, 12:42
For the reserve, Commissioning from the ranks is the main road in.

Chuck
22nd July 2018, 13:18
The DF have not done a direct comissioning from the ranks in decades and other than a judge and medical officers, have not had direct entrant PDF officers 15 years

The AC commissioned five NCOs earlier this year.

DeV
22nd July 2018, 15:42
The AC commissioned five NCOs earlier this year.as ATCs

Chuck
22nd July 2018, 16:54
as ATCs

Yes Dev. Once again, thank you for stating the obvious. I'm starting to think you do this deliberately.

Fantasia stated that the "DF" has not done a direct commissoning from the ranks in decades. This isn't the case.

Also, my mistake, it was four NCOs, not five.

Fantasia
22nd July 2018, 18:37
The AC commissioned five NCOs earlier this year.

Like many in the army, I used DF when I should have used army.

Apologies for the confusion

Gribben
22nd July 2018, 19:45
If you applied for a cadetship as a serving private are there any restrictions on age? or amount of years served?

Would prior service be beneficial in the selection process or do they ignore it?

Gribben
22nd July 2018, 19:47
What are the age requirements? Can an enlisted soldier apply for a cadetship competition?

Gribben
22nd July 2018, 19:51
Yes, apply for a Cadetship as a serving private. There are now plenty of officers that have come up through the ranks this way in recent years. 20% of some cadet classes in fact.


The 10th Potential Officer Course is on now. As the name suggests it is only the 10th one that has ever been run.

Provided you meet the age requirements, there are quite a few enlisted soldiers that get selected for a cadetship.

The DF have not done a direct comissioning from the ranks in decades and other than a judge and medical officers, have not had direct entrant PDF officers 15 years

What are the requirements for a serving private to apply for a cadetship in terms of age and years of experience?

Can you apply for a Cadetship competition whilst serving as a private?

DeV
22nd July 2018, 22:29
If you apply for a cadetship as a serving PDF NCO/Pte, exactly the same requirements (age etc) apply as if you were a civilian.

You just qualify for a bonus in final interview.

trellheim
23rd July 2018, 10:58
Pedantic I know but we have both an RDF and PDF with Army Components. ( the Act, S18)

dukedy
20th August 2018, 09:08
Does anyone know how the cadet payscale works?
I know that regular pay scales go up yearly from 1st Point onwards.
But Cadetships only last 15 months, so are there certain landmarks that have to be hit in order for pay to increase?
Or is it every 3ish months? (seeing as there are five points to the scale)

Thanks.

Auldsod
22nd August 2018, 09:24
I'm going to apply for a Cadetship once I finish college next year but I know a lot of people who have applied for it and didn't get in.

If I end up on that boat are there any routes to a commission through general service for let's say a private or a corporal with a decent University degree?

Don't forget that getting in as a civilian is by far the better option if that's the route you want to go down.

The increased score received in interview from being already enlisted in the PDF is quite small so there is no guarantee that being already enlisted will improve your chances of a cadetship massively.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a private soldier but you could find it tough going if a cadetship is your real goal.

Just apply as a civilian, put enlisting out of your mind and give it your best shot!

Auldsod
22nd August 2018, 09:25
Does anyone know how the cadet payscale works?
I know that regular pay scales go up yearly from 1st Point onwards.
But Cadetships only last 15 months, so are there certain landmarks that have to be hit in order for pay to increase?
Or is it every 3ish months? (seeing as there are five points to the scale)

Thanks.

This was already answered and replied to in the thread you previously setup.

http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com/showthread.php?26973-Cadet-Payscale

hptmurphy
22nd August 2018, 10:35
as ATCs

Implying that ATCs make a lesser officer than any other type?

Auldsod
22nd August 2018, 10:41
Implying that ATCs make a lesser officer than any other type?

I wondered the same.....

DeV
22nd August 2018, 12:43
Implying that ATCs make a lesser officer than any other type?

Absolutely not

A very Specialist small pool of people

Afaik they were all ATC NCOs so they had to have ATC qualifications already

hptmurphy
22nd August 2018, 13:55
Absolutely not

A very Specialist small pool of people

Afaik they were all ATC NCOs so they had to have ATC qualifications already

So why highlight that they were ATCO's.... Primarily an officer in the DF.... qualified as an ATCO. When it comes to highlighting that persons were CFR for what ever reason or the corps it always seems like they have a stigma behind them.

They are now Commissioned officers regardless of their back round.

DeV
22nd August 2018, 16:29
So why highlight that they were ATCO's.... Primarily an officer in the DF.... qualified as an ATCO. When it comes to highlighting that persons were CFR for what ever reason or the corps it always seems like they have a stigma behind them.

They are now Commissioned officers regardless of their back round.
Some of the most memorable officers I’ve come across (for positive reasons) are CFRs and it is to be encouraged

Go back to the original question in the thread, just having “a decent university degree” will not get you on a CFR scheme.

In some cases, they are highly specialised as I was highlighting

Bravo20
23rd August 2018, 08:32
The CFR scheme in the PDF is very rare, currently running at once a decade it seems. It is a very underutilized source of officers in the DF. That being said the large classes and the increase in age limit for cadets have meant that more other ranks are applying and getting in.

hptmurphy
23rd August 2018, 13:51
Go back to the original question in the thread, just having “a decent university degree” will not get you on a CFR scheme.


As it should be !

Fantasia
23rd August 2018, 18:45
The CFR scheme in the PDF is very rare, currently running at once a decade it seems. It is a very underutilized source of officers in the DF. That being said the large classes and the increase in age limit for cadets have meant that more other ranks are applying and getting in.

It is a pity it is not utilised more, some great people have come through that scheme. The current course was supposed to happen around 4 years ago but didnt happen.

golden rivet
29th August 2018, 13:49
sadly senior officers never wanted men from the ranks so to speak...they never considered their ability and knowledge....hopefully this may change....too late for many though...

Fantasia
29th August 2018, 15:09
sadly senior officers never wanted men from the ranks so to speak...they never considered their ability and knowledge....hopefully this may change....too late for many though...

That is very untrue of the modern DF where CFR officers are more valued due to their maturity and experience

DeV
29th August 2018, 15:19
That is very untrue of the modern DF where CFR officers are more valued due to their maturity and experience

absolutely and should be done more, would have major benefits for both officers and other ranks

Bravo20
29th August 2018, 16:00
That is very untrue of the modern DF where CFR officers are more valued due to their maturity and experience

If that is true why are they only run every 10 years or so?

Fantasia
29th August 2018, 18:36
If that is true why are they only run every 10 years or so?

10 POC was supposed to start in circa 2015 or so. DOD were dragging their feet about the T&C despite a lotnof pushing from J1. They only got agreement on the T&C at the end of 2017 and competition was run in 2018.

I would like to see them run every few years and have it as a viable career path rather than someone be lucky to meet the criteria when one is advertised

DeV
29th August 2018, 19:13
10 POC was supposed to start in circa 2015 or so. DOD were dragging their feet about the T&C despite a lotnof pushing from J1. They only got agreement on the T&C at the end of 2017 and competition was run in 2018.

I would like to see them run every few years and have it as a viable career path rather than someone be lucky to meet the criteria when one is advertised

Army logic (including DoD in that)

The biggest cadet classes in the history of the State, shortages of officers in units, more and more taskings, UCAS, etc etc

Were the public service career breaks also actively encouraged in the DF ?




Now having said that the NCO rank loses some very capable experienced NCOs but it hopefully makes the DF a better place

Fantasia
29th August 2018, 19:19
Not actively encouraged but facilitated more often than maybe previously

Gribben
4th September 2018, 20:03
If an enlisted member got accepted onto a cadetship would they have to do the whole 15 months of officer training or would they enter at a later stage because of their previous military experience?

DeV
5th September 2018, 00:01
If an enlisted member got accepted onto a cadetship would they have to do the whole 15 months of officer training or would they enter at a later stage because of their previous military experience?

Exactly the same cadetship (ie 15 months)

Gribben
9th September 2018, 21:29
Out of curiosity in terms of enlisted and commissioned personnel how long do they have to wait to serve overseas?

I spoke to a serving officer about joining last week and he told me he waited 8 or 9 years to get the chance.

Rhodes
13th September 2018, 19:07
Out of curiosity in terms of enlisted and commissioned personnel how long do they have to wait to serve overseas?

I spoke to a serving officer about joining last week and he told me he waited 8 or 9 years to get the chance.

It really depends on unit and Corps. In the Infantry, the largest Corps, it's about 3-5 years for a Private. For a Lieutenant, it's about 5-7 years.

This will also depend on the number of troops overseas, there will be an increase from November so waiting time will reduce.

Getting the first trip isn't a problem, its the second trip for a Private that is almost impossible to get unless your a cook or Mowag crewman.

Auldsod
13th September 2018, 21:34
It really depends on unit and Corps. In the Infantry, the largest Corps, it's about 3-5 years for a Private. For a Lieutenant, it's about 5-7 years.

This will also depend on the number of troops overseas, there will be an increase from November so waiting time will reduce.

Getting the first trip isn't a problem, its the second trip for a Private that is almost impossible to get unless your a cook or Mowag crewman.

Does this not make it difficult for privates to extend their service even when promoted to Corporal? I thought they had to have more than one tour under the belt in their first enlistment?

Or is it different in practice?

Rhodes
13th September 2018, 22:10
Does this not make it difficult for privates to extend their service even when promoted to Corporal? I thought they had to have more than one tour under the belt in their first enlistment?

Or is it different in practice?

The requirement for an overseas trip for Extension of Service is impossible for most to achieve as there is not enough overseas trips, so it is ignored. The average is about one trip in 9 years.

trellheim
14th September 2018, 11:56
Extension of Service is impossible for most to achieve as there is not enough overseas trips, so it is ignored. The average is about one trip in 9 years.

If you are in certain corps, though, your chance is much higher I would presume.

Bravo20
14th September 2018, 12:22
Out of curiosity in terms of enlisted and commissioned personnel how long do they have to wait to serve overseas?

I spoke to a serving officer about joining last week and he told me he waited 8 or 9 years to get the chance.

There are officers going overseas next trip that were commissioned last year. It all depends on the needs of the service.

na grohmiti
14th September 2018, 12:41
I know of one Non infantry officer who couldnt get an overseas trip until a Captain vacancy came up. Even then, the mission was scrubbed.

Gribben
17th October 2018, 10:38
What corps are they in?