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  • MK19,and Gau19

    What say ye about upgradeing the current PIII turrets with the GAU-19 12.7mm gatling gun?
    It weighs only slightly more than the M2HB already used and the only modification needed would be a replacement for the existing mantlets and a space for the small suitcase sized battery pack.
    Compared to other systems it has:
    1.Relatively small weight and size
    2.Uses a shell already in widespread Irish service although it can fire the full range of 12.7mm ammunition (SLAP etc) which greatly enhances its capabilities against other light armour, embrasures, etc.
    3. Fitted with the correct electronics it is sufficiently manouvreable and fast firing to act as an anti-helicopter weapon, and sufficiently destructive to destroy a target before it can be targeted (Very short range obviously).
    4. The System is not particularly protrusive normally but is highly intimidating when in operation.
    5.Free of the traditional M2HB stoppages.

    The MK19 is as I'm sure eveyone is aware, a machine gun that fires 40mm grenades out beyond the kilometre mark, I would argue that this weapon would be an extremely useful brigade asset for the DF as it is highly mobile (mounted on a truck, WMIIK or AFV) and destructive at ranges where our limited artillery resources are not needed yet are beyond the range of most infantry weapons.
    In concert with a battalions support weapons a trio of Mk-19s mounted on the back of a cross country vehicle would supplement the engaged units firepower to the point where Mortar and Artillery fire could be directed at the enemy's rear.
    "It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke

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    The trouble comes when you start looking for targets that the GAU-19 is better suited to than the M2HB. There really isn't many. For anti personnel its complete overkill, for anti-armour it has very little to offer over the M2 and for anti-air work you'd need completely different sights and a different turret. Plus the GAU needs a lot more ammunition.

    The ideal for our PIIIs would probably be a mix of MK-19 and M2HB mounted together in the one turret (like the USMC LVTPs) and a LAVIII type fire support vehicle with a 30-40mm cannon, 7.62coax and possibly Javelin.

    Or maybe the MGS, but thats another story.

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    • #3
      I only suggested the GAU-19 because a dual M2/MK19 would require returreting.
      With regards to the GAU-19, the idea of an APC mounted weapon is to allow fire and manouvre from 1000m out, the Gau-19 is the best 12.7mm weapon for destroying defended positions and or surpressing their occupants on the move, the 7.62 coax is for engaging infantry up close.
      Most importantly against infantry, units operating in close country need the ability to create a massive volume of fire to succesfully break from an ambush, a task for which the M2 is too slow and unreliable.
      Volume of fire means an awful lot for a low penetration calibre, as for anti-aircraft, specialist sights are a fairly moot point since an APC that is lucky enough to engage an aircraft at under 1000m is going to be focused on snapshooting rather than bracketing or tracking of a target, the only real requirement for this limited role is elevation, as for superiority over the M2, rate of fire; says it all.
      "It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke

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      • #4
        as for superiority over the M2, rate of fire; says it all.

        And where are you going to put the ammo? .50 takes up a lot of room (as does 40mm, I'll admit). Feeding a gatling gun takes an awful lot of rounds, the base rate for the GAU (three barrel) is somewhere in the region of 1100 rpm. For the same store of rounds, the M2 will give you a lot more suppressive fire before running dry. If the headspace on the M2 (or ideally the M2QCB) is sorted, the reliability shouldn't be a problem.

        And if you really want suppressive fire, 30mm Bushmaster or 40mm Bofors is the way to go.

        As for the Mk-19 not fitting the Helios turret, I'd heard a lovely rumour that the Army's proposed weapons fit was just that, Mk-19 and M2, but it was quashed by DOD cos of the problems of introducing a new round to the supply chain.

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        • #5
          Well here's a weapon that's a 50cal and a 25mm grenade launcher in one











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          • #6
            50cal
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            • #7
              Whats the difference between the round used in the MK19 and the 40mm grenade used in the M203?
              AFAIK the AGS-17 uses the same round as the GP-25
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              • #8
                Originally posted by mutter nutter
                Well here's a weapon that's a 50cal and a 25mm grenade launcher in one
                Not much point unless you can fire both simultaneously.

                Aidan the M2s in the PIIIs are QCBs, they are also identical to infantr models it just being a matter of pulling up the face plate and removing the weapon then fitting it with a tripod to make it an infantry weapon.
                Ammo storage for a gatling gun is a problem however not as big a problem as carrying out truckloads of unique ammo.
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                • #9
                  Now you're definitely writing as if you have an erection, Come Quickly. :p
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                  • #10
                    Not really no, I'm actually just giving a factual account of accurate technical data and asking some questions/giving crits...I don't see how that compares to ranting about HUGE .50 machine guns and Minimi HEAVY machine guns to be quite honest.
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                    • #11
                      Relax.
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                      • #12
                        Joking mate, just joking, but lets keep it on topic; theres few enough serious discussions going on at the the moment.
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