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  • Blackhawks..How many?

    Is 6 enough? Why not repace one for one?
    43
    6 or less
    2.33%
    1
    7
    0.00%
    0
    8
    6.98%
    3
    9
    4.65%
    2
    10
    32.56%
    14
    11
    0.00%
    0
    12
    16.28%
    7
    13
    0.00%
    0
    14
    4.65%
    2
    15 or more?
    32.56%
    14


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

  • #2
    I voted 10, trying not to be greedy
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    • #3
      At least eight ideally twelve, this would allow for significant amounts of troop training and overseas operational usage while another two sat in the shack on longer term maintenance.
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      • #4
        Does the Blackhawk name not conjure up some dark images though? It will, as the news article demonstrated,always be connected with the Mogadishu experience,which in it self was not a fault of the aircraft,as many more were hit,and made it home safely.
        Would it be plausable to rename the aircraft for irish service,considering the variations such as Knighthawk,seahawk,Ocean Hawk, Rescue Hawk,Jayhawk,Thunderhawk...You get the idea...

        Irishhawk is a bit obvious...GaelHawk? GreenHawk?

        Ideas on the back of a tender acceptance please...
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        • #5
          Thats just silly, look in the event that we actually acquired some of these helicopters and somebody took exception to the name (Why?) We could just do what most operators do already, refer to it by its commercial designation of S-70.
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          • #6
            there is the key words.

            Originally posted by Come-quickly
            look in the event that we actually acquired some of these helicopters
            We have not got them and thier is no tender yet, all we have is a newspaper article and the minister saying that he will get new helicopters. Sure if we belive everything he says the army would be full of APCs and no troops to fill them.
            I am not saying that we wont get new helicopters just dont get your hopes up and think we are geting Blackhawks.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Come-quickly
              Thats just silly, look in the event that we actually acquired some of these helicopters and somebody took exception to the name (Why?) We could just do what most operators do already, refer to it by its commercial designation of S-70.
              Its quite Ironic that you are so sceptical about these aircraft given your fondness for engaging in fantasy forces...

              I can imagine what the crusty brigade would have to say about the thought that Neutral Peace loving ireland would be buying these Black attack Helis from the hated american war machine,most likely as a thank you for allowing GWB wipe his ass with our supposed neutrality.(sometimes I can talk like one so much it scares me)

              The Blackhawk name will stick,in the same way as the SA316B is known as the Allouette, the SA365Fi is known as the Dauphin, The CM170 was the Fouga or Magister, And the SF260W has been known as the Marchetti, or the warrior..
              Our brain is better equipped to remember names than mathematical combinations. For example, the EC135 will always be known to us as the Garda Helicopter,and nothing else,in the absence of this craft being "nameless".


              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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              • #8
                I think its the most suitable heli and other neutral countries like Austria did buy them.... a film etc isnt going to dictate a tender process..

                But Im just wondering where the speculation is coming from in the Indo. Is that the preferred heli by the DoD or is it a reporter simply talking to a officer

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                • #9
                  In response to Farels request for names i vote for VIPTaxiHawk.
                  Not a big fan of the Blackhawk.It doesn't have the carrying capacity of other medium helicopters whilst being too big and expensive to be a general utility run around.I always thought it best in its MH guises.Able to carry a spec ops team long distances in adverse conditions with a fair bit of personal kit.
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                  • #10
                    Blackhawk more like black Chicken... it spends more time on the ground than in the air.

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                    • #11
                      How much would one of these things cost? Would they be bought first or second hand?

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                      • #12
                        well since we are a 1st world country as they always say we should have no problem forking out for them brand new sure were loaded!:p

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                        • #13
                          What would be a suitable heli for training pilots on something like the blackhawk? You cant just feck a cadet or whoever into a thing like that an expect him to fly it. The gazelle is hardly suitable,disregarding the fact that they crashed one so theres only one left, so if blackhawks are bought some type of suitable trainer will have to be purchased along with them, would conversion training with another country who uses the blackhawk be more economical or quite the opposite. As regards names i believe the type as seen in "a perfect storm" is known as the pavehawk, doesnt really conjure up the same image as blackhawk.
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                          • #14
                            Too Many Variants!

                            The Sikorsky MH-60 Blackhawk comes in three different varieties; the MH-60G (known as the Pave Hawk and used by the USAF Special Operations Wings), the MH-60L, and the MH-60K. The latter two variants are used by the Army's 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment. The Pave Hawk and MH-60L were both modifications of UH-60 variants already serving. The MH-60K is the first to be designed from the start for SOA duties.


                            The first special operations Blackhawk was the MH-60A, a standard UH-60 with many improvements. They were among the first to be equipped with the AAQ-16 FLIR (Forward Looking Infra-Red) sensor and ALQ-144 "Disco Light" IR jammer. All the original A models also received auxiliary fuel tanks, IR suppressive exhausts, SATCOM (Satellite Communication), radar warning receivers, and M-134 7.62mm Miniguns.

                            In the late 1980s, a new version, called the MH-60L was introduced. It was to be the "low end" of a system; the high end being the then unproduced MH-60K. The MH-60L was only about halfway through it's operational evaluation when Iraq invaded Kuwait. The upgrade process was accelerated and several of the L models were able to serve in Desert Shield and Storm alongside the older MH-60A models.



                            The MH-60G is the United States Air Force's medium range special operations helicopter. Between eight and ten soldiers can be carried in nearly all weather to a range of 445. This range can be increased with the use of in-flight refueling through the refueling probe mounted on the front of the aircraft.

                            The Pave Hawk is armed with two 7.62mm miniguns and can also be armed with two 50 caliber heavy machine guns mounted in the cargo bay doors. The ESSS (External Stores Support System) can also be carried, allowing the mounting of additinal fuel tanks, rocket pods, or hellfire missles (although they are probably never used in this capacity).


                            The HH-60H Seahawk is the US Navy's primary rotary-wing asset for CSAR and SPECWAR missions. It is derived from the SH-60B Seahawk ASW (Anti Submarine Warfare) and lacks the specialized avionics while retaining the Seahawks nautical characteristics and protection. The HH-60H Varient is operated by two Naval Reserv Squadrons, HCS-4 and HCS-5. These squadrons run excercises and deploy world-wide to practice with US and foreign forces.

                            The Seahawk can carry up to eight passengers and can be armed with one or two GAU-8 minigun for protection or covering fire when inserting or extracting troops or pilots. Future improvements include the added capability to carry 2.75" FFAR (Folding-Fin Areal Rockets) or Maverick missile and a .50 cal heavy machine gun. The HH-60H is also outfitted with an Infra-Red supression system fr its exhausts and chaff/flare launchers to hopefully mislead incoming SAM's.

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                            • #15
                              Farel, two of your names are already in use-the Navy's modified Blackhawk is the Seahawk, and the Coast Guard's is the Jayhawk. The Air Force also has a version, called the Pave Hawk. In addition, the AF/Navy both have modified versions under the MH-53 number-AF is Pave Low, Navy is Sea Stallion.
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