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ollie
2nd March 2003, 03:03
1 left the pdf in 99 . since then i have signed on and been paid as a 1st line reservist . on more than one occasion i have been told that i was to be assigned to the fca but have heard nothing. what is the story ? i was not the worlds best soldier ,but feel i have something to offer, but apparently i cannot join the fca does any one know whats happening there was supposed to be a report ?:confused: :confused: :confused:
if i could keep the black beret i would be there with bells on

goc132
2nd March 2003, 13:44
I don't know how long you were in the PDF but I am a reservist for the last 28 years and I wore a Black Beret once upon a time as well.So don't run down our green Beret,the Reserves work in outside occupations as well as serving in the Defence Forces.
If you were not the worlds best soldier then you may not have enough to offer us guy's.

iron arse
2nd March 2003, 13:44
Iv heard it said, and would be inclined to agree, that the first line of reserve to the army is the civil defence. if there is ever any need for extra personel the fca are never called, (with the exception of barrick duties).

So if you think you got what it takes, fell the need for something different, but dont want to shot some real guns and dont mind wareing a yellow jump suit, then join the Civil Defence, the 1st line reserve defence force, otherwise join the RDF.
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sorry thats not much help to you ollie. if you left the PDF and wanted to join the RDF (FCA), then all you need do is go down to your local unit and join. you'll get an new army number and it will be as if you had never been in the army. as far as i can see, its not possible to transfer from the PDF to the RDF. if it was, youd see a lot of lads going into the army from the reserve. any way best of luck with this matter and if you have joind the RDF unknown to you, welcom to the 2nd line reserve

EagleEye
2nd March 2003, 14:44
Ya iron arse "where the hell did he get that name" is on to a good point here. Although there is a 1st line reserve made up of ex-pdf you can be reactivated in an emergency and the RDF are the 2nd line, with lots of professional skills any real world DF wouls embrace and use for its own good. The real 1st line when it comes to anything is indeed the Civil Defence, although they get put down as much as the RDF and has a big yellow uniform, in all fairness they get to put real training into practice on a regular basis, flood assistance, searchers on both land and water, major crowd control, first aid and fire fighting skill.

If there was a chemical or bio attack or even a major disaster such as a plane crashing in an urban area, they would be the one's called in, we recieve little or no training in these area's and although we as a whole probably have people that could be used in these situations the skills are not accounted for by the DF.

Although even the Civil Defence would say that their equipment when it come to fire fighting and anything to do with a chem or bio attack is seriously lacking but then it is the same even with the PDF.

Western Commando
2nd March 2003, 17:35
The First line reserve is made up of ex-PDF who have a reserve commitment as part of their service. It is laid down in DFRs that you have the right to transfer into the FCA but as far as I know it is you who has to initiate it - you cannot be assigned against your will. However once you transfer you will wear the Green Beret. Even if you were not the best soldier you presumably passed all your PDF training and if you come in with the right attitude you will be a great asset to your unit.

The Civil Defence is not part of the Army reserve structure, and despite being administered by the Department of Defence, it is not even part of the Defence Forces. They are purely a reserve for the “blue-light” services and have no military role. Saying that they carry out their duties in a competent manner and terms of time spent on active duties they are probably as active, and more useful, than some FCA units.

ollie
2nd March 2003, 19:17
i have asked about going into the fca but was told my reserve period had to elapse first . at the moment i get paid to do nothing , surely it would make more sense for me to be passing on what i can . i have toet'ed on most weapons (milan, .50, 81 ) , am a qualified medic and signal man with the sincgar system yet i am told that if the eu rrc is activated then i am liable to be called up ahead of the fca

Bravo20
3rd March 2003, 10:56
I read somewhere either 54 Act or R5/R6 about the process, but I can't seem to find it now. Will post when I have something.

spiderman
3rd March 2003, 18:31
up until a few years ago, you could enlist in the RDF once you 'go on your ticket', retaining your rank if you did it within a specified time, if not then you automatically went onto the 1st line. eg we have had 2 sgts join retaining their rank, without doing 1st line service. maybe changed since, but I doubt it

ollie
4th March 2003, 00:47
thanks this is a typical irish answer to a problem hold off and hope an answer appears from some where.

There was a proposal made by the pricewaterhouse report i think saying that full intergration of fca and pdf was a logical step in better training and value for money.

The idea was for a more streamlined and active fca component filling the role of reserve companies within reg units .This was to allow the deployment of a complete batt or other formation instead of the current ad hoc basis of using other sources of man power .It would also have risen the profile and standing of the fca with a knock on effect of giving value for money .

last i heard the idea was under discussion has it been dropped or filed away for another day ???

Bravo20
4th March 2003, 10:02
Currently there are no plans to change the status of the first line reserve

Docman
5th March 2003, 20:13
My understanding is that with the signing of the steering group report by the minister recently, the FCA & 1st line reserve have been amalgamated together into the one reserve.

Bravo20
6th March 2003, 10:36
Your understanding is incorrect

Truck Driver
19th March 2003, 14:16
Ollie,

Nice to see an ex-PDF member express an interest in rejoining, in the Reserve. Hopefully civvy life is not boring you too much! I note you're ex-"Bloods", so dependent on where you are living geographically, joining an E Bde unit might be an option, as there would be a wider choice of units, Corps-wise, to enlist in. In DFTC, presently only two Inf Bns and one Arty Regt. As regards your service, it would definitely count to any unit worth their salt. I will send you a PM to two scenarios I can think of...

Good luck
Truck Driver

Truck Driver
19th March 2003, 14:18
I was actually also under the impression that the 1st Line reserve had been abolished, with PDF going on their ticket obliged to serve out their "on-call" term with a reserve unit. This would tie i with what Ollie said in his opening mail....

Bravo20
19th March 2003, 14:41
No the first line stays as it is at the moment

ollie
20th March 2003, 00:25
personally its a ridiculas situation. since the 94 class of recruit of which i was and subsequent intakes are now coming to the end of their enlistment papers the old first line reserve is beginning to grow larger .my only requirement is to confirm my address once a year for which i get a gratuity , surely it can only be of benefit to amalgamate both groups to create one with more experience and enthusisiam . those who stay in will be an asset to whatever unit they join and would give real value for money

sparky
26th July 2006, 21:22
just a quick question lads


i was a corporal in the fca left and joined the pdf , served for a FEW years and now i am out and signing back into the rdf my question is"" do i have to do recruits again"" since i bought myself out and it aint a transfer to reserves

Goldie fish
26th July 2006, 21:31
It varies from unit to unit. How long is it since you were in the FCA?

sparky
26th July 2006, 21:33
9 years can still remember the screed though

ollie
26th July 2006, 22:39
i kinda went down the same route , you can go back into the rdf at your pdf rank, but might spend some time as a rec till they can get the paperwork through. least thats how it went for me . getting your old fca stripes back might be a whole diff story

hptmurphy
26th July 2006, 22:43
Seeing as yourew just out sparky...I would say that they will take you back on..but can't say about your previous rank...pardon the pun..but a lot of water has passed under the bridge since then..

sparky
26th July 2006, 23:42
yeah i aint looking at stripes just yet i only left the pdf when i was in an acting rank so thats dam all it will be nice to be back to my old unit though

McCarthy
31st July 2006, 19:36
I know of a PDF Sgt who had to retire due to injury....3 years and 3 days later he joined the RDF and had to go through recruit camp.

I think theres a 3 year rule which dictates whether or not you can retain your rank..he missed out, by 3 days.

DeV
31st July 2006, 20:37
The "story" from DFR R.5:

Other Ranks
17 - 40 (with at least 1 years PDF service)
17 - 45 (if at least a PDF Sgt/PO immediately prior to discharge from PDF)

These personnel are taken on at the rank they last held in the PDF, if there is a vacancy in establishment or the next lowest rank there is a vacancy for.

Officers
Officers of the FLR (under the age of 55) may be assigned to the AR/NSR at the rank held on the last day of their service in the FLR, if there is a vancacy in establishment. This is like a transfer as far as I can see.

The following people cannot be accepted:
a person who has been discharged from the Defence Forces as a result of a
conviction by the civil power or as a result of sentence of discharge, discharge
with ignominy or penal servitude awarded by court-martial;

a person who, for misconduct or on the grounds or their service being no longer
required or being below Defence Forces physical standards has been discharged
from the Defence Forces, or a person who for misconduct or on medical grounds
has been discharged from the military, naval, air or police services of any other
country or state

hptmurphy
1st August 2006, 00:10
"a person who, for misconduct or on the grounds or their service being no longer
required or being below Defence Forces physical standards has been discharged
from the Defence Forces, or a person who for misconduct or on medical grounds"

I'll say it again...this may not all ways be the case....

SAM
1st August 2006, 02:29
discharge with ignominy or penal servitude awarded by court-martial;
DeV, is that the new series of R5? I was under the impression that Penal Servitude had been abolished in the Defence Forces in early 1990s, strange to see it mentioned in a recent document.

Truck Driver
1st August 2006, 04:43
DeV, is that the new series of R5? I was under the impression that Penal Servitude had been abolished in the Defence Forces in early 1990s, strange to see it mentioned in a recent document.

Sam, see Here... (http://www.rdfra.ie/pdf/regulations/R5.pdf)

SAM
1st August 2006, 12:55
Cheers TD.

sparky
17th October 2006, 14:50
Have audiogram on Saturday lets hope all the start ups on alts. and M/E haven't ruined my hearing .

HavocIRL
30th May 2007, 00:06
Seriously


do we keep our rank if we discharge and enlist into the RDF

and do we remain curent on all our weapons instructor status

and do we hold our seniroity

Thinking of taking the plunge Hedge?

hedgehog
30th May 2007, 01:36
I am looking around to see what unit has the cutest looking female in it,

you know my standards lads


extremely low

extremely busty

no gingers

no one from leitrim

no nail biters

and just in case - NO Blokes

HavocIRL
30th May 2007, 03:26
I am looking around to see what unit has the cutest looking female in it,

you know my standards lads


extremely low

extremely busty

no gingers

no one from leitrim

no nail biters

and just in case - NO Blokes


I think I know the type you're on about. A girl with the magic combination of good looks and low self esteem.

I'll give you a bit of a brief on the 62nd women situation.

A coy has girls who love to flirt with the cadre staff. They have a surplus of issued kit to show for it. C coy girls too, B coy is a sausage fest, D is a bit touch and go and the less said about SP Coy the better.

hedgehog
30th May 2007, 10:37
62 Bn is a calling me

womble
30th May 2007, 10:53
62 Bn is a calling me
how's that hedgie, retiring or going in as a cadre member?

hedgehog
30th May 2007, 12:12
how's that hedgie, retiring or going in as a cadre member?


B Coy is a suasage fest

anyway going in as Cadre staff is the same as retiring

now where is my Hugh Heffner bathrobe

spider pig
30th May 2007, 15:16
what about a 3* transferring into a south wicklow unit if he was to move from the big smoke back home any time in the future
What would the training situation be like?
How active are the units?
integration at any stage?
would there be any point in me looking at one of the Bray units so I can get more regular access to stores?
what are the units in south wicklow like, believe its C Coy.
Not looking likely to move any time soon, but if it does happen would be interested in any info anyone could provide. thanks in advance.

As i am not a complete ass%% im going to tell you not to go to Bray, which is HQ Coy. It must be the worst unit in the 62nd.

HavocIRL
30th May 2007, 15:24
B Coy is a suasage fest

anyway going in as Cadre staff is the same as retiring

now where is my Hugh Heffner bathrobe

The B coy boys still flirt with the cadre staff to try and get free kit. We just get dirty looks instead.

hedgehog
30th May 2007, 16:34
As i am not a complete ass%% im going to tell you not to go to Bray, which is HQ Coy. It must be the worst unit in the 62nd.

is that because of the women

or because of the soldierly stuff

spider pig
30th May 2007, 18:35
is that because of the women

or because of the soldierly stuff

Its because;

women: 0 (srry hedgy)

There is a severe lack of personel, so even if a training schedule is organised it i would be uselss.
Its also a social killer.

and the soldierly stuff as well

DeV
30th May 2007, 19:47
http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com/showthread.php?t=9235

seven.sixtwo
4th December 2009, 20:06
I don't know how long you were in the PDF but I am a reservist for the last 28 years and I wore a Black Beret once upon a time as well.So don't run down our green Beret,the Reserves work in outside occupations as well as serving in the Defence Forces.
If you were not the worlds best soldier then you may not have enough to offer us guy's.

sure nobody's a ever a perfect soldier