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Hi all was out ploddin about the country side today, and as i'd no music with me i was thinkin bout random stuff, and it occurred to me any british made MBT i ever heard of had a name beginning with the letter "C", Centaur, Comet, Churchill, Cromwell, Centurion, Chieftain, Challenger 1&2 etc etc.
Does this hold some significance or is it pure co- inkydink, any input as usual is greatfully appreciated.
Thanks TC.
But there's no danger
It's a professional career
Though it could be arranged
With just a word in Mr. Churchill's ear
If you're out of luck you're out of work
We could send you to johannesburg.
Probably down to the manufacturer more than anything. Same people(Vickers Defence Systems)) have been building Tanks in the UK for years. However those vehicles that look like tanks but are not, Made by Alvis, begin with S.
Scorpion, Scimitar,Sabre etc.
Vickers still do tanks.
Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.
but you could be right about it being manufacturer related
But there's no danger
It's a professional career
Though it could be arranged
With just a word in Mr. Churchill's ear
If you're out of luck you're out of work
We could send you to johannesburg.
i did my question was about mbt's not recce vehicles.
anywho didnt alvis do a whole series of light vehicles beginning wih the letter "S" scorpion, saladin, scimitar, and cos they were fast they did an APC/AFV which was tracked so it could kep up with these vehicles, called spartan?
Last edited by turbocalves; 23 October 2006, 02:09.
But there's no danger
It's a professional career
Though it could be arranged
With just a word in Mr. Churchill's ear
If you're out of luck you're out of work
We could send you to johannesburg.
Why do the names of British tanks all begin with C?
Well in fact they don't; one only has to think of Matilda, Tetrarch or Valentine for instance. However the practice began in 1940 and it is attributed to the Prime Minister, Winston Churchill. He felt that tanks should have names, just like aircraft, so that they would sound more glamorous, although the first tank to be named under this system was the Covenanter, a name hardly anyone had ever heard of. Apart from the Churchill tank itself, which was a coincidence, all wartime tanks that had names starting with C were Cruisers, and that may well be the original explanation. Since the war it has been adopted for virtually all tanks, including some experimental prototypes, and has now gone about as far as it can go with suitably martial words starting with C.
Yes, all the CVR(T)s begin with 'S'. Scorpion, Scimitar, Sabre, Shielder, Stormer, Samson, Smaritan, Sultan, Spartan, Striker, Sturgeon, Salamander, Streaker (Prototype only).
Things get a bit quirky with the wheels though. Ferret, Fox, and Saracen, Saladin, Saxon, Stalwart, now Panther. Tracked APCs are another matter, FV-432 was sometimes known as 'Trojan', and of course "Warrior" is the only 'W' Artillery had a brief flirtation with religion: Priest, Sexton, Bishop, Abbot.
Yes, all the CVR(T)s begin with 'S'. Scorpion, Scimitar, Sabre, Shielder, Stormer, Samson, Smaritan, Sultan, Spartan, Striker, Sturgeon, Salamander, Streaker (Prototype only).
fook me theres a hell of a lot more of them than i figured are they all alvis?
Ps thanks for the info Cal tanker i can see i'm being put in my place rught and proper!!
But there's no danger
It's a professional career
Though it could be arranged
With just a word in Mr. Churchill's ear
If you're out of luck you're out of work
We could send you to johannesburg.
Hi all
A Chally 1 as a gate guard?! Effin' hell. The standards of gate guards has gone up. Beats a mouldy oul Comet any day?...remember also, that British units traditionally named individual tanks, ie; each Troop had a letter and each tank was named by the crew but it used to get a bit out of hand; Phartarce (genuine!!), Phlatulence,etc. The French often name their tanks after places, especially places associated with French battles. Can't wait to see a Mowag with "Newtownmountkennedy" or "Skeheenarinky" or "Mweenreenacliste " on it. Although, the Kerry PDFers might have a bit of a thing about "Dingle-Daingean"....American tanks, sadly, look like New York subway cars during the baddest graffitti days.
regards
GttC
fook me theres a hell of a lot more of them than i figured are they all alvis?
Yes, they're all on the same chassis, slight exception of Stormer.
In detail:
Scorpion: Large bore gun. 76mm, 90mm
Scimitar: 30mm cannon.
Sabre: Scorpion with turret replaced with that of the Fox CVR(W)s.
Shielder: Minelaying vehicle.
Stormer: APC based on a slightly elongated chassis (One extra roadwheel). Current production variant.
Samson: Recovery Vehicle. One went to the Falklands with the Scorps and Scims.
Samaritan: Ambulance Variant.
Sultan: Command Variant. (High roofline)
Spartan: APC version. (Also can be equipped with Starstreak SAMs)
Striker: ATGM version, with Swingfires. Only vehicle with missiles currently in British service.
Sturgeon, Salamander: Opfor variants in use in Canada. One based off Scorpion, one off Scimitar.
Streaker: Never entered service, some form of high-speed Spartan variant, I believe. (But would need to look it up)
A Chally 1 as a gate guard?!
There's one out front of Bovvy camp as well. Remember, they're all out of British service.
Yes, they're all on the same chassis, slight exception of Stormer.
In detail:
Scorpion: Large bore gun. 76mm, 90mm
Scimitar: 30mm cannon.
Sabre: Scorpion with turret replaced with that of the Fox CVR(W)s.
Shielder: Minelaying vehicle.
Stormer: APC based on a slightly elongated chassis (One extra roadwheel). Current production variant.
Samson: Recovery Vehicle. One went to the Falklands with the Scorps and Scims.
Samaritan: Ambulance Variant.
Sultan: Command Variant. (High roofline)
Spartan: APC version. (Also can be equipped with Starstreak SAMs)
Striker: ATGM version, with Swingfires. Only vehicle with missiles currently in British service.
Sturgeon, Salamander: Opfor variants in use in Canada. One based off Scorpion, one off Scimitar.
Streaker: Never entered service, some form of high-speed Spartan variant, I believe. (But would need to look it up)
There's one out front of Bovvy camp as well. Remember, they're all out of British service.
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