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  • Prime time are covering safety failings in CHC Ireland tonight

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    • the IAA's charts were found to be seriously wanting. When you buy an IAA chart, they always ask you to review the chart and point out an errors, such as a failure to include a wind farm and so on. Now, you would have to fly the entire island to find all the faults unless you consult literally every pilot of every aircraft type on the island and that's not practical, so you depend on the OS, who drew up the original, to be accurate........apart from all that, why were the crew at 282 feet, facing inland, when the same quadrant on the chart has the mountains of Achill exceed 2000 feet. Normal instrument flight practise is to stay at least a thousand feet above the highest land mass or obstacle in the given quadrant at all times, unless you are actually "in" an approach procedure, ie conducting an ILS or VOR or NDB approach. To me, they appear to have believed that they were safely "in" the approach procedure but didn't grasp that they were too low and therefore not protected from terrain. It makes no sense to me to instigate an approach at only 282 feet, as it leaves little room for error.

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        https://www.irishexaminer.com/irelan...k-464278.html#

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        • AAIU Interim Statement no 2
          http://www.aaiu.ie/sites/default/fil...tatement_2.pdf

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          • Given that the Minister has decided to instigate an independant review of Ireland's SAR services, can one assume he has had eyes on the accident report, and it does not inspire confidence in the current situation?

            Shane Ross announces details of independent review into search and rescue operations

            Monday, May 21, 2018 - 11:31 AM

            A review into search and rescue operations following the Coast Guard Rescue 116 crash will look at any gaps or lack of clarity in the roles, processes, training and resources available.

            The Minister for Transport has announced details of the independent review that will take place following the helicopter crash off Blackrock Island in Mayo last year, where four crew members lost their lives.

            It will be led by Professor Jules Kneepkens along with a team of international experts - who will also examine the practices and procedures in search and rescue oversight in place and make recommendations to address the issues.
            On March 14 last year a Coastguard chopper went down at Blackrock Island.
            The bodies of Captain Dara Fitzpatrick and Captain Mark Duffy were recovered – however their colleagues Paul Ormsby and Ciaran Smith remain lost at sea.

            The Air Accident Investigation Unit is still looking into the cause of the crash – but an interim report more than two months ago recommended a thorough review of the State’s search and rescue aviation operations.
            https://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...ns-844151.html
            German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
            German 2: Private? I am a general!
            German 1: That is the bad news.

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            • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
              Given that the Minister has decided to instigate an independant review of Ireland's SAR services, can one assume he has had eyes on the accident report, and it does not inspire confidence in the current situation?
              It’s a safety recommendation from the interim statement from the AAIU
              http://www.aaiu.ie/sites/default/fil...20180313_2.pdf


              There are 2 others (1 for Sikorsky and 1 for CHC Ireland)
              Last edited by DeV; 24 May 2018, 21:57.

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              • Why wait till now?
                German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
                German 2: Private? I am a general!
                German 1: That is the bad news.

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                • Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                  Why wait till now?
                  Who knows but 2 months to start it probably isn’t too bad for any Department
                  Last edited by DeV; 24 May 2018, 22:00.

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                  • Given that the Minister has decided to instigate an independant review of Ireland's SAR services, can one assume he has had eyes on the accident report, and it does not inspire confidence in the current situation?
                    Whoa!!!

                    Back up the truck !

                    Its CHC that need looking at as they are the contractors. Unless there is an implied responsibility by the state in the operation of the service out side the contract the issue lies with CHC. Hence the service was outsourced in the first place.

                    Other wise the state will end up providing the service directly...and as we know thats another world of shit we don't need to revisit.
                    Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                    • WHy not announce it on receiving the interim report?
                      German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
                      German 2: Private? I am a general!
                      German 1: That is the bad news.

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                      • There are eight AAIU inspectors; each one covers about 8 to 10 accidents/incidents/events each on an ongoing basis. As each new one comes in, the Boss assigns manpower to the event, depending on the gravity of the situation, who's got a gap in his/her schedule, expertise on Type and so on. The Boss, as well as playing his part in investigating accidents in his own right, is also Head of Unit from a Civil Service point of view, so has to deal with all the political operations of the unit, as he answers directly to the Minister and is invariably required to answer questions from the Dail/media/Foreign AAIUs and so on. Each Inspector will be assigned to an Investigation by name and will be backed up by one or two others. As you can imagine, an incident or accident with fatalities involved gets a great deal more attention than some guy accidentally running his light aircraft into a hedge yet each one has to be dealt with. Big ones get a blizzard of media attention, as well as political attention and you can add gardai/military into the mix as well. The AAIU is a tiny unit, compared to virtually all of the Civil Service, yet is expected to punch it's weight to the standard of the UK's AAIB, as a base level.

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                        • Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                          Whoa!!!

                          Back up the truck !

                          Its CHC that need looking at as they are the contractors. Unless there is an implied responsibility by the state in the operation of the service out side the contract the issue lies with CHC. Hence the service was outsourced in the first place.

                          Other wise the state will end up providing the service directly...and as we know thats another world of shit we don't need to revisit.
                          Read the recommendation (the Minister is the issuing authority with regard to the SAR framework.

                          There have so far been safety recommendations to:
                          CHC Ireland x 2
                          RFD Beaufort
                          Sikorsky
                          The Minister


                          Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                          WHy not announce it on receiving the interim report?
                          Because unlike reports that we are used to hearing about, the Minister received the AAIU at the same time as everyone else (they sometimes issue them in advance for those referred to to correct/comment)

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                          • Draft reports are sent to involved parties in an accident for their input/comment/correction, before final publication. Interim reports are simply an information release whilst the investigation is ongoing.

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                            • AQE Review of the Oversight of Search and Rescue (SAR) Aviation Operations in Ireland

                              http://www.dttas.ie/sites/default/fi...lreportweb.pdf
                              German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
                              German 2: Private? I am a general!
                              German 1: That is the bad news.

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                              • Originally posted by na grohmit� View Post
                                AQE Review of the Oversight of Search and Rescue (SAR) Aviation Operations in Ireland

                                http://www.dttas.ie/sites/default/fi...lreportweb.pdf
                                SAR ops don’t seem to be regulated at all

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