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  • na grohmiti
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    Any chance of a report this year I wonder?

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  • na grohmiti
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    Another year passes, still no report.
    Still sadly missed.

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  • DeV
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    Originally posted by sofa View Post
    Why privately. Is there something to cover up.?
    Happens with all AAIU investigations

    The families, operator, manufacturers etc etc will all get a copy

    Firstly so they don’t have to read about it first in the media and secondly if there is anything that is incorrect, typos etc that it can be corrected (as assume there has to be evidence to prove it) (also means the media read and report the facts (as opposed to mistakes))

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  • sofa
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    Why privately. Is there something to cover up.?

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  • Orion
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    from - http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com...6-thread-moved

    http://www.aaiu.ie/sites/default/fil...ment%202_1.pdf (http://www.aaiu.ie/sites/default/fil...ment%202_1.pdf)

    2nd interim report - basically final draft will be privately circulated soon

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  • DeV
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    Originally posted by na grohmit� View Post
    AQE Review of the Oversight of Search and Rescue (SAR) Aviation Operations in Ireland

    http://www.dttas.ie/sites/default/fi...lreportweb.pdf
    SAR ops don’t seem to be regulated at all

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  • na grohmiti
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    AQE Review of the Oversight of Search and Rescue (SAR) Aviation Operations in Ireland

    http://www.dttas.ie/sites/default/fi...lreportweb.pdf

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  • GoneToTheCanner
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    Draft reports are sent to involved parties in an accident for their input/comment/correction, before final publication. Interim reports are simply an information release whilst the investigation is ongoing.

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  • DeV
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    Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
    Whoa!!!

    Back up the truck !

    Its CHC that need looking at as they are the contractors. Unless there is an implied responsibility by the state in the operation of the service out side the contract the issue lies with CHC. Hence the service was outsourced in the first place.

    Other wise the state will end up providing the service directly...and as we know thats another world of shit we don't need to revisit.
    Read the recommendation (the Minister is the issuing authority with regard to the SAR framework.

    There have so far been safety recommendations to:
    CHC Ireland x 2
    RFD Beaufort
    Sikorsky
    The Minister


    Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
    WHy not announce it on receiving the interim report?
    Because unlike reports that we are used to hearing about, the Minister received the AAIU at the same time as everyone else (they sometimes issue them in advance for those referred to to correct/comment)

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  • GoneToTheCanner
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    There are eight AAIU inspectors; each one covers about 8 to 10 accidents/incidents/events each on an ongoing basis. As each new one comes in, the Boss assigns manpower to the event, depending on the gravity of the situation, who's got a gap in his/her schedule, expertise on Type and so on. The Boss, as well as playing his part in investigating accidents in his own right, is also Head of Unit from a Civil Service point of view, so has to deal with all the political operations of the unit, as he answers directly to the Minister and is invariably required to answer questions from the Dail/media/Foreign AAIUs and so on. Each Inspector will be assigned to an Investigation by name and will be backed up by one or two others. As you can imagine, an incident or accident with fatalities involved gets a great deal more attention than some guy accidentally running his light aircraft into a hedge yet each one has to be dealt with. Big ones get a blizzard of media attention, as well as political attention and you can add gardai/military into the mix as well. The AAIU is a tiny unit, compared to virtually all of the Civil Service, yet is expected to punch it's weight to the standard of the UK's AAIB, as a base level.

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  • na grohmiti
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    WHy not announce it on receiving the interim report?

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  • hptmurphy
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    Given that the Minister has decided to instigate an independant review of Ireland's SAR services, can one assume he has had eyes on the accident report, and it does not inspire confidence in the current situation?
    Whoa!!!

    Back up the truck !

    Its CHC that need looking at as they are the contractors. Unless there is an implied responsibility by the state in the operation of the service out side the contract the issue lies with CHC. Hence the service was outsourced in the first place.

    Other wise the state will end up providing the service directly...and as we know thats another world of shit we don't need to revisit.

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  • DeV
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    Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
    Why wait till now?
    Who knows but 2 months to start it probably isn’t too bad for any Department
    Last edited by DeV; 24 May 2018, 22:00.

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  • na grohmiti
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    Why wait till now?

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  • DeV
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    Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
    Given that the Minister has decided to instigate an independant review of Ireland's SAR services, can one assume he has had eyes on the accident report, and it does not inspire confidence in the current situation?
    It’s a safety recommendation from the interim statement from the AAIU
    http://www.aaiu.ie/sites/default/fil...20180313_2.pdf


    There are 2 others (1 for Sikorsky and 1 for CHC Ireland)
    Last edited by DeV; 24 May 2018, 21:57.

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