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    Tracks are better!

    Wheels are cheaper!

    Tracks never get bogged down!

    Wheels are faster!

    Tracks...!!!

    Wheels...!!!

    ... At which point the civil servant chairing the meeting, noting that it was past lunchtime, proposed a compromise:


  • #2
    Looks like a BTR-60 had unlawful intercourse with a BMP-1! Didn't the yanks and germans do the half-track thingy a while ago? M-3 anyone?
    regards
    GttC

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    • #3
      Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
      Looks like a BTR-60 had unlawful intercourse with a BMP-1!
      GttC
      There's no shortage of strange goings-on in Russia

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      • #4
        Not quite the same, but this sort of vehicle, the wheel-cum-track would give you the option of either only wheels or only tracks.







        I'm not counting BT tanks here, either.

        NTM
        Driver, tracks, troops.... Drive and adjust!!

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        • #5
          Cross a Land Rover with a Scorpion and you get a Centaur:

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          • #6
            Panhards we never had...

            1929 AMC P 16 modèle 29





            1951 EBR PANHARD FL11 75mm

            Last edited by Fireplace; 29 March 2008, 01:49.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by easyrider View Post
              !

              [I]Wheels are faster!

              I wouldn't be so sure about that.

              http://youtube.com/watch?v=v9NJZyIXeqY&feature=related

              The following are unmanned fully computer controlled concept designs based on the RipSaw 1.



              Last edited by lordinajamjar; 29 March 2008, 09:31.

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              • #8
                That youtube link is pretty cool!

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                • #9
                  Rant mode on: quite why the DF is so against have tracked AFVs of any kind is beyond me.It seems the horseowners of the Curragh have more sway than the needs of the troops.Wheels are nice but there are some terrain types where wheels just will not cut it.In the Falklands( which is basically Ireland moved South by a few thousand miles) the AMLs bogged down but the Scorpions covered the ground.
                  regards
                  GttC

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                  • #10
                    Tracks are more expensive, harder to maintain and cause more damage to the road surface.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DeV View Post
                      Tracks are more expensive, harder to maintain and cause more damage to the road surface.
                      It's worth noting that Soviet Union brought most ot their infantry and reconnaissance units around in wheeled vehicles - BTR60/70/80, BRDM - even after they developed the BMP. The French are to replace the AMX10-P with the VBCI. Despite the economic and maintenance advantages there will always be a place for tracked IFV/reconnaissance vehicles, albeit a smaller percentage than wheels. Also of significance, the Soviets only trusted tracks(PT-76 and BMP-1) to carry heavier guns, something the Russians are continuing with the BMP-3, BMD-4 and Sprut-sd.
                      You will never have a quiet world until you knock the patriotism out of the human race

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                      • #12
                        Also of significance, the Soviets only trusted tracks(PT-76 and BMP-1) to carry heavier guns, something the Russians are continuing with the BMP-3, BMD-4 and Sprut-sd.
                        In fairness, BTR-90M carries the same 100mm/30mm/7.62mm combo as BMP-3.


                        NTM
                        Driver, tracks, troops.... Drive and adjust!!

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                        • #13
                          The BTR-90 with the BMP-3 turret would be as good as any wheeled vehicle. Only small numbers with the BMP-2 turret have as yet entered service in Russia, unconfirmed reports say Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan have also ordered them. At this stage the variant with the BMP-3 turret is likely to be primarily aimed at the export market(especially countries that have the BMP-3).



                          AMV with BMP-3 turret

                          Last edited by Fireplace; 29 March 2008, 20:24.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by California Tanker View Post
                            In fairness, BTR-90M carries the same 100mm/30mm/7.62mm combo as BMP-3.
                            The "gun for everyone in the audience" approach.

                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMP-3

                            Primary armament: 100mm gun/launcher 2A70, 30mm autocannon 2A72
                            Ammunition: conventional HE-Frag shells (40 rounds) and
                            9M117 (AT-10 Stabber) ATGMs 8 ATGM are carried and
                            2A72 dual feed autocannon with 500 rounds.

                            Secondary armament: 3×7.62mm PKT machine guns,
                            Ammunition: each 2,000 rounds

                            Also on board are:
                            6 smoke grenade launchers 81mm 902V "Tucha".
                            one RPG-7 and
                            five RPG-18's and
                            two MANPADS "Strela-3" or "Igla" and
                            10 hand grenades F-1.

                            AND

                            7 passengers
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                            • #15
                              On the smaller BMD

                              Gross combat weight, kg 13,200
                              Weight of universal fighting compartment, kg 3,200
                              Personnel capacity (crew and mounted troops) 7
                              Ammunition load:
                              100mm 3UBK23-3 rounds (guided munitions) 4
                              100mm 3UOF19 rounds (unguided munitions) 18
                              30mm rounds, including 3UBR8 350
                              7.62mm cartridges 2,000

                              Paratroopers must be very small in Russia!

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