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    This is a bit of curiosity - a Saracen armoured car. It's South African (I think). Anyone know what the gun is?

  • #2
    Looks like a 90 gun
    What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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    • #3
      90mm DEFA?
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      • #4
        The Saracen Armoured Car was a British Design,

        this looks like a hybrid, possibly with a 75mm - 90mm gun.

        Connaught Stranger.

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        • #5
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          You will never have a quiet world until you knock the patriotism out of the human race

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          • #6
            Australian? They definitly recycled turrets a lot.
            Meh.

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            • #7
              Gun could be a dummy. Doesnt appear to be any mantlet. No Buffer . Could they be Bolts just hidden by the barrel of the 30 cal?


              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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              • #8
                It looks like adummy turret wouldn't acommate the gun ..never mind a crew an ammunition
                Turret is so light the recoil would lift it clear of the hull.

                Goldie knows about these 90 things more than most ...and having operated in a 90 turret..that just ain't a whole gun!
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                • #9
                  Its a mockup. The gun appears to be fixed?

                  Thats the standard turret, if you look at a photo of a saracen with someone in it, theres barely room for them and the browing. Where do you propose the 90mm fits?

                  Normal armament for a saracen was browing 0.30s and bren guns. To the best of my knowledge they werent upgunned from this. Also look at the muzzle break, there is something just not right about it!
                  Last edited by Turncoat; 25 March 2008, 23:30.
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                  • #10
                    Muzzle brake is from the DEFA on the AML 90
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                    • #11
                      Turret seems way too small for a 90mm.

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                      • #12
                        Its the standard Saracen/Ferret turret, as fitted with 30 cal. Someone has bolted on a bit of pipe for effect.


                        Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                        • #13
                          The "turret", to my eyes at least, looks similar to the Ratel 90 turret. A prototype intended to deceive Angolans/Cubans to believe that they were facing more Ratels?
                          You will never have a quiet world until you knock the patriotism out of the human race

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                          • #14
                            I compared with the Ratel, that's not it.

                            Goldie's nailed it. Look at the closeup of the mantlet, and look for the ability to elevate.

                            NTM
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Fireplace View Post
                              The "turret", to my eyes at least, looks similar to the Ratel 90 turret. A prototype intended to deceive Angolans/Cubans to believe that they were facing more Ratels?
                              The Ratel Turret is a 2 man turret. it is identical in many ways to the Eland/Panhard turret. The Saracen/ferret turret shown there is a one man only "hatch". The ratel is a much larger(an in my opinion excellent) vehicle.

                              Ratel(from same site as earlier abomination)

                              Saracen(standard single man turret)


                              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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