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    Now, this dosent apply to the Irish Defence Forces but I've always been curious regards MBT's and which is considered the best. The M1A1 Abrams is possiblyone of the more famous but its smooth bore gun lets it down, the British Challenger II is similar but it has the rifled barrel and the German Leopard II incorporates the best features of both.

    Personally, I would rate the Leopard but others I know say the Challenger is best and then others prefer the Abrams!

    What are all your thoughts?

    (then of course there is the Leclerc of France, the T-80 of Russia, the Type-99 of China etc etc)
    33
    Challenger II (Britain)
    27.27%
    9
    M1A1 Abrams (America)
    9.09%
    3
    Leopard II (Germany)
    63.64%
    21
    T80 (Russia)
    0.00%
    0
    Leclerc (France)
    0.00%
    0
    Type 99 (China PLA)
    0.00%
    0
    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
    Who grinned at life in empty joy,
    Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
    And whistled early with the lark.

    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
    Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
    Sneak home and pray you'll never know
    The hell where youth and laughter go.

  • #2
    Armoured vehicles (including MBTs) are a compromise between 3 major elements - generally no vehicle is excellent in all of these - it is a trade-off:

    Protection - Mobility - Firepower

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Buck View Post
      Now, this dosent apply to the Irish Defence Forces but I've always been curious regards MBT's and which is considered the best. The M1A1 Abrams is possiblyone of the more famous but its smooth bore gun lets it down, the British Challenger II is similar but it has the rifled barrel and the German Leopard II incorporates the best features of both.

      Personally, I would rate the Leopard but others I know say the Challenger is best and then others prefer the Abrams!

      What are all your thoughts?

      (then of course there is the Leclerc of France, the T-80 of Russia, the Type-99 of China etc etc)
      Are you the same guy who just started an exact same thread on militaryphotos.net today and is currently getting abused for it?!?

      http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...d.php?t=163016
      Last edited by futurepilot; 13 August 2009, 20:01.
      Education isn't everything, for a start it isn't an elephant

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      • #4
        Originally posted by futurepilot View Post
        Are you the same guy who just started an exact same thread on militaryphotos.net today and is currently getting abused for it?!?

        http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...d.php?t=163016
        it is a good way however, of finding out national origins on a board like MP, as people tend to think theirs is best.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by futurepilot View Post
          Are you the same guy who just started an exact same thread on militaryphotos.net today and is currently getting abused for it?!?

          http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...d.php?t=163016
          i am indeed, bloody hell, those guys take things abit seriously!!
          I knew a simple soldier boy.....
          Who grinned at life in empty joy,
          Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
          And whistled early with the lark.

          In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
          With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
          He put a bullet through his brain.
          And no one spoke of him again.

          You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
          Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
          Sneak home and pray you'll never know
          The hell where youth and laughter go.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by paul g View Post
            it is a good way however, of finding out national origins on a board like MP, as people tend to think theirs is best.
            yeah, its huge alright! didnt think everyone would go mental though
            I knew a simple soldier boy.....
            Who grinned at life in empty joy,
            Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
            And whistled early with the lark.

            In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
            With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
            He put a bullet through his brain.
            And no one spoke of him again.

            You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
            Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
            Sneak home and pray you'll never know
            The hell where youth and laughter go.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Buck View Post
              i am indeed, bloody hell, those guys take things abit seriously!!
              Nah, just taking the piss really.
              As someone on that thread said, there have been loads of those type of polls that just descend into madness pretty quickly and get locked.
              Education isn't everything, for a start it isn't an elephant

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              • #8
                Leo2A6.

                There. That was easy.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by futurepilot View Post
                  Nah, just taking the piss really.
                  As someone on that thread said, there have been loads of those type of polls that just descend into madness pretty quickly and get locked.
                  yeah, reading on from it, everyone seems to just be p!ss taking alright! everyone seems satisfied with my baptism of fire though
                  I knew a simple soldier boy.....
                  Who grinned at life in empty joy,
                  Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
                  And whistled early with the lark.

                  In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
                  With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
                  He put a bullet through his brain.
                  And no one spoke of him again.

                  You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
                  Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
                  Sneak home and pray you'll never know
                  The hell where youth and laughter go.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Aidan View Post
                    Leo2A6.

                    There. That was easy.
                    On paper, then again never been in combat.

                    Challenger 2 has been in combat, its rifled gun lets you fire HESH rounds, but has never made an export sale to anybody, apart from Oman, a british client.

                    Abrams again lots of combat experience but burns fuel.

                    These types of threads are pointless.

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                    • #11
                      It all depends what you want it for.


                      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                      • #12
                        Best MBT?



                        Tanks are dinosaurs.

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                        • #13
                          Haha - Owned!
                          "The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"

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                          • #14
                            No mention in the poll of Merkava IV, M1A2, Type 10, K2...

                            On paper, then again never been in combat.
                            Afghanistan with the Canadians?

                            Originally posted by easyrider View Post
                            Tanks are dinosaurs.
                            They keep saying that...

                            NTM
                            Driver, tracks, troops.... Drive and adjust!!

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                            • #15
                              Leo2 is in Afghan with at least three contingents.

                              The Apache is a well regarded platform - but the flying tank myth has gone the way of Rumsfeld
                              "It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke

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