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  • Failure of Israels Merkava Tank

    From a documentary called "Gods Chariot".








  • #2
    Great find.
    Aut viam inveniam aut faciam.

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    • #3
      There was a thread about this on MP.net, (Now much changed due to deletion of OPSEC comments) the videos appear to be from Al Jazzera Sources,

      and in reality do not reflect the truth with regards the Merkava and its capabilities, NO Tank is 100% proof against attack, either from the newest R.P.G. type weapons or hugh buried I.E.D.'s.

      But the vehicle still continues to give very good protection to its crews and passengers, and is well suited to Israels current needs.

      Connaught Stranger.

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      • #4
        I agree.The Merkava is still a serious tank and an occasional success against it doesn't make it useless overnight.If you look at Abrams losses in Iraq, then the Merkava has nothing to be ashamed of.
        regards
        GttC

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        • #5
          It is well engineered piece of equipment but as said in the documentary "tanks should be used to fight tanks".
          The main failure is in where it is chosen to deploy. Remember Blitzkrieg does not work in downtown.

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          • #6
            Look to Chechnya for a recent example in how tanks don't work against mobile groups in an urban environment
            Aut viam inveniam aut faciam.

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            • #7
              On one side a few tanks destroyed and a few more temporarily out operation, countless dead attackers the other side.
              You will never have a quiet world until you knock the patriotism out of the human race

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Captain Edmund Blackadder View Post
                Look to Chechnya for a recent example in how tanks don't work against mobile groups in an urban environment
                Look to Chechnya for a recent example of how tanks work in urban environment.

                The first time around, the Russians just sent in tanks using the worst possible tactics one could come up with. That's the event you reference.

                The second time around, they overwhelmingly beat the crap out of the Chenyans, they just used their armour more intelligently. Even in town, fifty tons of steel with a big feck-off gun is going to be a tough nut to crack and provides a capability nothing else does.

                NTM
                Driver, tracks, troops.... Drive and adjust!!

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                • #9
                  The second time around, they overwhelmingly beat the crap out of the Chenyans, they just used their armour more intelligently. Even in town, fifty tons of steel with a big feck-off gun is going to be a tough nut to crack and provides a capability nothing else does.
                  One of the main problems encountered was attack by RPGs from 4th and 5th floor windows ( to attack the topside armour), above the max elevation of main guns. Their answer was to deploy ZSU 23 and 2K22 Tunguska with their higher elevating weapons when deploying armour in urban areas.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by apc View Post
                    RPGs from 4th and 5th floor windows
                    Backblast

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                    • #11
                      Backblast isn't going to be a factor if someone is firing from the roof or a gutted building.Ask some of your IRA buddies how they learned to cope with backblast.
                      regards
                      GttC

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                      • #12
                        Sorry. Meant the first battle of Grozny in the first war in the example I mentioned. Should've made that clearer.
                        Captain Edmund Blackadder
                        Flanders Pidgeon Murderer
                        Last edited by Captain Edmund Blackadder; 14 December 2009, 21:00.
                        Aut viam inveniam aut faciam.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
                          Backblast isn't going to be a factor if someone is firing from the roof or a gutted building.Ask some of your IRA buddies how they learned to cope with backblast.
                          regards
                          GttC


                          When it came to using RPG's. pira were a bunch of clowns. The snatch landrovers and saxons should have being sitting ducks.

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                          • #14
                            Looks like the back blast problem is well on it's way to being solved.

                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IH5nFAi16E

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                            • #15
                              I thought the modern German Panzerfaust III had solved it, by blowing a mass of plastic pellets out of the back?
                              regards
                              GttC

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