Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

British Army Scimitar replacement

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #31
    No matter how crap you might think scorpions are, seems the Brits are making more CVR(T)s: http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=148882.html

    Comment


    • #32
      Originally posted by Barry View Post
      No matter how crap you might think scorpions are, seems the Brits are making more CVR(T)s: http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=148882.html
      wow - i didn't see that one coming!
      RGJ

      ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

      The Rifles

      Comment


      • #33
        Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
        wow - i didn't see that one coming!
        you'll hear it though :P
        But there's no danger
        It's a professional career
        Though it could be arranged
        With just a word in Mr. Churchill's ear
        If you're out of luck you're out of work
        We could send you to johannesburg.

        (Elvis Costello, Olivers Army)

        Comment


        • #34
          Originally posted by turbocalves View Post
          you'll hear it though :P
          nah - CVRT's can sneak up on ya!

          nothing compared to the earth rumbling noise of a Chally2 as it approaches then drives over your trench as you pray you rivetted it well enough so the walls don't collapse on you!

          i don't miss those days!
          RGJ

          ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

          The Rifles

          Comment


          • #35
            Originally posted by paul g View Post
            Nope, it not a challenger replacement, its a replacement for the scimitars in the medium armoured squadrons in MBT roled regiments. the five MBT regiments the british have all have three MBT squadrons, and a Squadron of Scimitars.

            challenger is getting the Rheinmetall 120mm gun, and is being updated.

            There is going to be a strategic defence review after the british election, and lots of things are going to be up for review, one of them being FRES and the survival of the british army's heavy armour force, the others being Trident, the Carriers, the 25000 troops in germany, F-35, some have even suggested the survival of the RAF as an independent service is up for grabs.
            Paul G,
            The Swedes and the Swiss seem to have arrived at a slightly different conclusions with the CV90.






            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAqw5-6h-1Q



            Tim

            Comment


            • #36
              Originally posted by timhorgan View Post
              Paul G,
              The Swedes and the Swiss seem to have arrived at a slightly different conclusions with the CV90.


              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAqw5-6h-1Q



              Tim
              CV-90 was the competitor for FRES SV, ASCOD 2 I believe outperformed it both as as vehicle in the british trials, but also in terms of industrial offset. BAE were reduced to mounting a propaganda campaign in the british media about the decision, giving the impression that it would remove the british manufacturing capability in AFV, but failing to point out that BAE were planning to build the CV-90 hulls for the british army in Sweden.

              the basic ASCOD performed quite well in trials, the new one has the power pack and transmission the germans developed for their Puma AFV, and is an all round better vehicle than the CV-90

              As for restarting CVR(T) production, FRES isn't going to be available till 2015 at the earliest, and there is a need for the vehicle. The CVR(T) are not only getting on in age ( they were delivered between 1972 and 1986), but have been heavily modified from the original design. It makes perfect sense to build new hulls, as an interim measure, which take into account lessons learnt from recent operations.
              Last edited by paul g; 3 May 2010, 19:08.

              Comment


              • #37
                Originally posted by paul g View Post
                ......
                the basic ASCOD performed quite well in trials, the new one has the power pack the germans developed for their Puma AFV, and is an all round better vehicle than the CV-90

                As for restarting CVR(T) production, FRES isn't going to be available till 2015 at the earliest, and there is a need for the vehicle. The CVR(T) are not only getting on in age ( they were delivered between 1972 and 1986), but have been heavily modified from the original design. It makes perfect sense to build new hulls, as an interim measure, which take into account lessons learnt from recent operations.

                So the ASCOD will have a German engine and a German turret.... At least the paintwork will be British.

                Restarting Scimitar production is a complete waste of taxpayers' money. Scimitars are mainly used in the five (?) so-called "formation reconnaissance regiments" (=cavalry). Most of those regiments are not needed. A squadron of Scimitars is the most that has deployed overseas at any one time.

                Comment


                • #38
                  i don't know much about the ASCOD as the new kid on the block but i still like the Warrior and whilst i know they are tasked with different roles for us i still reckon this is a good bit of kit:

                  ">

                  i wonder if we will see their roles overlap at all?

                  more likely to see an ASCOD as a Battle Taxi than a Warrior as a Recce platform i suppose.
                  RGJ

                  ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

                  The Rifles

                  Comment


                  • #39
                    Originally posted by easyrider View Post
                    So the ASCOD will have a German engine and a German turret.... At least the paintwork will be British.

                    Restarting Scimitar production is a complete waste of taxpayers' money. Scimitars are mainly used in the five (?) so-called "formation reconnaissance regiments" (=cavalry). Most of those regiments are not needed. A squadron of Scimitars is the most that has deployed overseas at any one time.
                    the M-1 Abrams has british designed armour, a german main gun and belgian machine guns, but few would say its not an american tank. Very few "national" AFV designs anymore.

                    As for restarting the CVR(T) production, its only the hulls. You've got to remember that the hulls were built in the 1970's and 1980's, they're of the same vintage as our AML-90/20. Again you've got to remember that the ASCOD SV is not going to be ready till 2015, or probably later, and they've got to deploy something before that. Buying new hulls and putting the turrets, which have been updated, on them, is a good interim solution.

                    I would have said that reconnaissance/ISTAR is far more important now then it was twenty or so years ago, hence why the british have five reconnaissance regiments. If you look at the DF, look at the amount of resources and effort they've put into training and equpiment on the ISTAR role in the past five years.
                    Last edited by paul g; 3 May 2010, 19:16.

                    Comment


                    • #40
                      Originally posted by paul g View Post
                      Again you've got to remember that the ASCOD SV is not going to be ready till 2015, or probably later, and they've got to deploy something before that.
                      Why it is an off the shelf purchase ? or are they putting lots of Made in Britain stuff in it?!

                      Comment


                      • #41
                        Originally posted by DeV View Post
                        Why it is an off the shelf purchase ? or are they putting lots of Made in Britain stuff in it?!
                        Dev - we can't even buy chocolate off the shelf without b@stardising it for the Army!



                        but fair point mate - if we can get UOR's in pretty quickly then why the 5 year wait for this?
                        Last edited by RoyalGreenJacket; 3 May 2010, 21:00.
                        RGJ

                        ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

                        The Rifles

                        Comment


                        • #42
                          Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
                          nah - CVRT's can sneak up on ya!
                          I once had the interesting experience of hearing a Scorp at about 500m, It sounded like a gang of Harleys graping a Honda 50....

                          where as i nearly got run over by a panhard the thing was so so queit....
                          But there's no danger
                          It's a professional career
                          Though it could be arranged
                          With just a word in Mr. Churchill's ear
                          If you're out of luck you're out of work
                          We could send you to johannesburg.

                          (Elvis Costello, Olivers Army)

                          Comment


                          • #43
                            The main difference there was the Panhard engine is at the rear, while the scorp has the big lump of petrol burner up front next to the driver.


                            Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

                            Comment


                            • #44
                              Originally posted by DeV View Post
                              Why it is an off the shelf purchase ? or are they putting lots of Made in Britain stuff in it?!
                              Originally posted by DeV View Post
                              Why it is an off the shelf purchase ? or are they putting lots of Made in Britain stuff in it?!
                              Basically there are no factories left in the Uk that actually make AFV anymore. All being closed down, with the BAE plant in Newcastle only carrying out repair work

                              The idea is that the bare vehicles will be build by Santa Barbara in Spain,

                              They'll be shipped to wales, where the turret and many of the other systems will be built and will be fitted

                              From there they'll move to Donnington in Shropshire, where all the systems will fitted together and where long term support will be carried out.

                              about 73% of the vehicle will contain systems made in the uk.


                              Its also important to remember that only a contract for development has been signed, there have been no orders.

                              there is nothing to prevent the deal being cancelled. They might decide on Jackal and new CVR(T). A lot will depend in the strategic defence review, if the heavy armour force goes along with the BAOR, then FRES SV looks a bit cold war like.
                              Last edited by paul g; 3 May 2010, 22:42.

                              Comment


                              • #45
                                thanks Paul G - you are all over this stuff.
                                RGJ

                                ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

                                The Rifles

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X