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No matter how crap you might think scorpions are, seems the Brits are making more CVR(T)s: http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=148882.html
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you'll hear it though :POriginally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View PostBut there's no danger
It's a professional career
Though it could be arranged
With just a word in Mr. Churchill's ear
If you're out of luck you're out of work
We could send you to johannesburg.
(Elvis Costello, Olivers Army)Comment
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nah - CVRT's can sneak up on ya!Originally posted by turbocalves View Post
nothing compared to the earth rumbling noise of a Chally2 as it approaches then drives over your trench as you pray you rivetted it well enough so the walls don't collapse on you!
i don't miss those days!Comment
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Paul G,Originally posted by paul g View Post
The Swedes and the Swiss seem to have arrived at a slightly different conclusions with the CV90.
TimComment
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CV-90 was the competitor for FRES SV, ASCOD 2 I believe outperformed it both as as vehicle in the british trials, but also in terms of industrial offset. BAE were reduced to mounting a propaganda campaign in the british media about the decision, giving the impression that it would remove the british manufacturing capability in AFV, but failing to point out that BAE were planning to build the CV-90 hulls for the british army in Sweden.Originally posted by timhorgan View PostPaul G,
The Swedes and the Swiss seem to have arrived at a slightly different conclusions with the CV90.
Tim
the basic ASCOD performed quite well in trials, the new one has the power pack and transmission the germans developed for their Puma AFV, and is an all round better vehicle than the CV-90
As for restarting CVR(T) production, FRES isn't going to be available till 2015 at the earliest, and there is a need for the vehicle. The CVR(T) are not only getting on in age ( they were delivered between 1972 and 1986), but have been heavily modified from the original design. It makes perfect sense to build new hulls, as an interim measure, which take into account lessons learnt from recent operations.Last edited by paul g; 3 May 2010, 19:08.Comment
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Originally posted by paul g View Post
So the ASCOD will have a German engine and a German turret.... At least the paintwork will be British.
Restarting Scimitar production is a complete waste of taxpayers' money. Scimitars are mainly used in the five (?) so-called "formation reconnaissance regiments" (=cavalry). Most of those regiments are not needed. A squadron of Scimitars is the most that has deployed overseas at any one time.Comment
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i don't know much about the ASCOD as the new kid on the block but i still like the Warrior and whilst i know they are tasked with different roles for us i still reckon this is a good bit of kit:
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i wonder if we will see their roles overlap at all?
more likely to see an ASCOD as a Battle Taxi than a Warrior as a Recce platform i suppose.Comment
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the M-1 Abrams has british designed armour, a german main gun and belgian machine guns, but few would say its not an american tank. Very few "national" AFV designs anymore.Originally posted by easyrider View Post
As for restarting the CVR(T) production, its only the hulls. You've got to remember that the hulls were built in the 1970's and 1980's, they're of the same vintage as our AML-90/20. Again you've got to remember that the ASCOD SV is not going to be ready till 2015, or probably later, and they've got to deploy something before that. Buying new hulls and putting the turrets, which have been updated, on them, is a good interim solution.
I would have said that reconnaissance/ISTAR is far more important now then it was twenty or so years ago, hence why the british have five reconnaissance regiments. If you look at the DF, look at the amount of resources and effort they've put into training and equpiment on the ISTAR role in the past five years.Last edited by paul g; 3 May 2010, 19:16.Comment
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Why it is an off the shelf purchase ? or are they putting lots of Made in Britain stuff in it?!Originally posted by paul g View PostComment
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Dev - we can't even buy chocolate off the shelf without b@stardising it for the Army!Originally posted by DeV View Post
but fair point mate - if we can get UOR's in pretty quickly then why the 5 year wait for this?Last edited by RoyalGreenJacket; 3 May 2010, 21:00.Comment
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I once had the interesting experience of hearing a Scorp at about 500m, It sounded like a gang of Harleys graping a Honda 50....Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
where as i nearly got run over by a panhard the thing was so so queit....But there's no danger
It's a professional career
Though it could be arranged
With just a word in Mr. Churchill's ear
If you're out of luck you're out of work
We could send you to johannesburg.
(Elvis Costello, Olivers Army)Comment
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The main difference there was the Panhard engine is at the rear, while the scorp has the big lump of petrol burner up front next to the driver.
Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.Comment
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Originally posted by DeV View PostBasically there are no factories left in the Uk that actually make AFV anymore. All being closed down, with the BAE plant in Newcastle only carrying out repair workOriginally posted by DeV View Post
The idea is that the bare vehicles will be build by Santa Barbara in Spain,
They'll be shipped to wales, where the turret and many of the other systems will be built and will be fitted
From there they'll move to Donnington in Shropshire, where all the systems will fitted together and where long term support will be carried out.
about 73% of the vehicle will contain systems made in the uk.
Its also important to remember that only a contract for development has been signed, there have been no orders.
there is nothing to prevent the deal being cancelled. They might decide on Jackal and new CVR(T). A lot will depend in the strategic defence review, if the heavy armour force goes along with the BAOR, then FRES SV looks a bit cold war like.Last edited by paul g; 3 May 2010, 22:42.Comment
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thanks Paul G - you are all over this stuff.Comment
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