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  • #31
    I'm glad I don't have the job of washing that afterwards!
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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    • #32
      Kongsbergs shiny 30mm RWS replacement



      Early next year, Army maneuver officials at Fort Benning, Ga., will test Stryker vehicles armed with new stabilized 30mm cannons in an effort to increase the firepower of the service’s all-wheeled infantry carriers. In February, the Army’s Maneuver Center of Excellence will conduct a “proof on concept” test using company’s worth of Styker Vehicles equipped with Kongsberg Protech Systems new Medium Caliber Remote Weapons Station, said Carl Sundin II, who is in charge of senior business development for Army programs at Kongsberg, at the Association of the United States Army’s 2013 Annual meeting and Exposition. Kongsberg began working with Stryker maker General Dynamics Land Systems on the MCRWS in 2008. The company also makes the M151 RWS that’s currently on the Stryker. Army officials at Benning’s Maneuver Center announced the service’s plan to “up-gun” Stryker vehicles in September based on lessons learned from combat in Iraq and Afghanistan. Stryker Brigade Combat Teams first saw combat in Iraq in late 2003. The highly-mobile infantry force is equipped with potent variants such as the 105mm Mobile Gun System and anti-tank guided missile. But most Stryker vehicles are infantry carriers armed with .50 caliber machine guns or MK19 automatic grenade launchers. The Medium Caliber Remote Weapon Station looks like a turret mounted on top of a Stryker, but Kongsberg officials maintain that a true turret would consist of a basket that extends down into the vehicle and eat up a lot of space. “That would detract from the main mission of the Stryker — to transport a nine-man infantry squad,” Sundin said, describing how a true turret would make the Stryker “look a lot like a Bradley inside, holding four to five men tops.” The MCRWS can also be loaded from the inside of the vehicle, but the current configuration eliminates one of the Stryker’s four top hatches. Read more: http://defensetech.org/2013/10/21/ar...#ixzz2iOaS7jcp Defense.org
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      Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

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      • #33
        We are starting to take delivery of the upgraded LAV-IIIs, now called LAV-6:



        GDLS calls it LAV UP:

        LAV UP

        The program will upgrade 550 LAV IIIs of Canada's fleet in four variants: the Infantry Section Carrier, Command Post, Observation Post Vehicle and Engineer variants. Each will undergo a comprehensive upgrade aimed at extending their lifecycle to 2035. The upgrades will be performed at facilities in London, Ontario, and Edmonton, Alberta, and will extend from 2012 to 2017.


        These upgrades will allow for significant improvements in survivability, mobility and lethality. Survivability enhancements include switching to a Double-V Hull offering inherent and weight efficient protection from mine and IED threats as well as energy-attenuating seats at all crew locations. A more powerful 450hp engine is included as well as upgrades to the drivetrain and suspension. Turret sights will be upgraded to extend their range and gun control electronics are being improved to reduce crew workload. The fully upgraded vehicle weighs 55,000lbs (25,000kg), but testing has demonstrated that its mobility is comparable to or better than the original high-mobility 38,000lb APC vehicle that the upgrade is based on.
        An option for 66 additional vehs has since been exercised, bringing the total to 616 upgraded LAVs. The initial LAV-III order was for 650 vehs, and 13 were destroyed in Afghanistan.
        "On the plains of hesitation, bleach the bones of countless millions, who on the very dawn of victory, laid down to rest, and in resting died.

        Never give up!!"

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Jungle View Post
          We are starting to take delivery of the upgraded LAV-IIIs, now called LAV-6:



          GDLS calls it LAV UP:

          LAV UP



          An option for 66 additional vehs has since been exercised, bringing the total to 616 upgraded LAVs. The initial LAV-III order was for 650 vehs, and 13 were destroyed in Afghanistan.
          we are seriously lacking in such a vehicle. why we don't just buy the licence to manufacture this in the UK by GKN or similar is beyond me, we have wasted so much time and money on FRES, it's sacrilege.
          RGJ

          ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

          The Rifles

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          • #35
            I could be wrong but fres not supposed to include a vehicle such as this, the preferred tender was the Mowag Pirhana 5..............

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            • #36
              Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
              we are seriously lacking in such a vehicle. why we don't just buy the licence to manufacture this in the UK by GKN or similar is beyond me, we have wasted so much time and money on FRES, it's sacrilege.
              That was the plan with FRES (and probably part of the problem)!

              Originally posted by northie View Post
              I could be wrong but fres not supposed to include a vehicle such as this, the preferred tender was the Mowag Pirhana 5..............
              The MOWAG Evolution was selected as preferred bidder for the Utility Vehicle in 2008, which was then withdrawn due to failing to reach agreement on commercial conditions.

              That vehicle developed into the Piranha V (selected by the Canadians).

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              • #37
                Can the 90mm MOWAGs carry any troops?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by DeV View Post
                  Can the 90mm MOWAGs carry any troops?
                  Crew of three only.
                  For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, which is published, but after discussion with parties in government will probably commence being implemented in May or June.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by DeV View Post
                    Can the 90mm MOWAGs carry any troops?
                    Would that not come down to the space the turret basket takes up and the requirement for ammunition. The B1 Centauro had accommodation for 2 - 4 soldiers. Ok so that was designed as a Tank Destroyer that evolved into an IFV but surely the Turret basket doesnt take up the whole crew compartment in a MOWAG

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                    • #40
                      The Turret basket takes up a considerable space on the Piranha MRV, and its only a 2 man turret for a light cannon. The 90 is a far larger turret.
                      For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, which is published, but after discussion with parties in government will probably commence being implemented in May or June.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                        The Turret basket takes up a considerable space on the Piranha MRV, and its only a 2 man turret for a light cannon. The 90 is a far larger turret.
                        Looking at pistures of the belgian Mowags with the CMI 90mm turret it doesnt seem to take up all the room in the back although extra ammunition would. I think ready ammunition is carried in the bustle
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                        • #42
                          The Hitfist turret fitted to the MRV has a cage with a diameter of 1.4m, the Hitfact turret which can take up to a 120mm gun has a diameter of 2m. Therefore if you can get 6 troops in the back of a MRV then 4 should be possible when fitted with a 120mm gun! Also the newest generation vehicles like the Piranha V, Terrex and AMV are all larger than our Piranha IIIH.

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                          • #43
                            I wonder if BREXIT will effect the MOU with the UK?

                            And how long will their MIV take to deliver ?

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                              The Hitfist turret fitted to the MRV has a cage with a diameter of 1.4m, the Hitfact turret which can take up to a 120mm gun has a diameter of 2m. Therefore if you can get 6 troops in the back of a MRV then 4 should be possible when fitted with a 120mm gun! Also the newest generation vehicles like the Piranha V, Terrex and AMV are all larger than our Piranha IIIH.
                              They would be a great addition and give an extra deterent on peacekeeping duties

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                              • #45
                                I can't see if this has been mentioned here already but, in General dynamics 2016 report they mention Ireland in the context of ordering new Piranhas. It seems to indicate new builds.
                                pg 4
                                http://www.generaldynamics.com/sites...ual-Report.pdf

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