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  • #46
    Originally posted by Rocinante View Post
    I can't see if this has been mentioned here already but, in General dynamics 2016 report they mention Ireland in the context of ordering new Piranhas. It seems to indicate new builds.
    pg 4
    http://www.generaldynamics.com/sites...ual-Report.pdf
    Given the speech in the Daíl stating that the contract is €50 million I doubt that there's new hulls, guessing more that they were limited in what they could say.

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    • #47
      The refit involves stripping the existing cars down to the hull and building from scratch nearly.
      "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by apod View Post
        The refit involves stripping the existing cars down to the hull and building from scratch nearly.
        Good practice. The US have been doing the same with M1 Abrams for years. The Armour is usually perfect and just needs a shot blast and repaint. Better then to rebuild transmission and drivetrain outright. Easier to do than part refit. You are building a new car around the original armour.
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        • #49
          A proper overhaul, not a sporadic half arsed job, would leave the cars as good as new and fit for overseas service. If they do it right, the electronics would be up to date and future proofed.

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          • #50
            Will there be any work done on the hulls, ie V shaped.?

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            • #51
              Considering we're only paying €50 million how much of a rebuild can that pay for?

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              • #52
                Folks,
                For those of us who have IKON. It's all there.
                For those who don't, sorry but the exact details are not for public discussion just yet.However lets just say that with the upgrade the only original parts will be the hulls.

                The new,old, cars will be a massive improvement and will greatly enhance the situational awareness and force protection of the crews and dismounts
                "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
                  Considering we're only paying €50 million how much of a rebuild can that pay for?
                  Quite a lot, considering each car only cost over €1m.
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                  • #54
                    I see the CoS posted some photos of the Mowag upgrades on twitter earlier. The "minister" and he are in Switzerland visiting GD Land systems.
                    Earlier this week they were visiting Pilatus.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                      I see the CoS posted some photos of the Mowag upgrades on twitter earlier. The "minister" and he are in Switzerland visiting GD Land systems.
                      Earlier this week they were visiting Pilatus.


                      Is that a different RWS?

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                      • #56
                        It certainly appears to be. In fact it looks very much like the version seen recently at Eurostatory, with a Javelin mount alongside the main gun armament.

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                        • #57
                          How is that Javelin and gun and optics protected from the elements?

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
                            How is that Javelin and gun and optics protected from the elements?
                            They come with a canvas cover....
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                            • #59
                              The new Dual RWS is for 12.7 HMG and 7.62 MAG, giving the same firepower as the old turret its replacing.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Rhodes View Post
                                The new Dual RWS is for 12.7 HMG and 7.62 MAG, giving the same firepower as the old turret its replacing.
                                What's on the hull front next to the drivers hatch?
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