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  • Originally posted by DeV View Post
    Cav have the Foxtrack radar
    Not mounted on a vehicle though
    What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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    • Originally posted by Come-quickly View Post
      Artillery fires are an important part of light armoured Cavalry tactics so having mobile Artillery for DFs is a bigger hole than the direct fire piece if you're not deluding yourself into pseudo tanking.
      I would agree for a balanced Army but the big guns have never gone overseas at least the AML90s have had a few outings. So a Centauro B2 or Type 16 MSV might actually get used while a GOaT 15mm would likely never see more than the Glen.

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      • That's where my money goes on a common platform ('whatever replaces the PIII) with a 120mm mortar mounted it's much less of a reach for our logs capability than having any other option. Albeit still a hungry one for rounds.

        Towing or airlifting L118s or Brandt 120s would have been a huge challenge for us and in most cases any threat that would have required them in theatre would have overpowered them.

        But a pair (at a time. Rotation is the spice of serviceability) of 120mm mortars in the same platform as our manoeuvre elements with contemporary targeting, sighting and laying are a much more manageable investment with a dramatically better return.

        Also the option of laser guided and top attack rounds combined with recce cars that can guide them. And mortar launched drones/sensors mean that you're not just sending it for violence/illum

        Last edited by Come-quickly; 20 May 2022, 09:59.
        "It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke

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        • Interesting Australian video on electric vehicles

          https://youtu.be/HXrCae_Z3H0

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          • https://www.janes.com/defence-news/d...18688984881608

            Supacat new addition
            Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.

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            • Ah Mark, you're inviting the Smelly Gunners into the super secret Cav Club!!!

              In fairness though, if the Cav went with the Coyote and Jackal as a platform, and the Arty had the Extenda Mk 2 with the 105mm, would do wonders for supply chains in spare parts, commonality of training on vehicle platforms, and dare I say it, interoperability!! Afterall, didn't the commission recommend the establishment of "Combat Service Regiments"
              What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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              • Originally posted by ODIN View Post
                Ah Mark, you're inviting the Smelly Gunners into the super secret Cav Club!!!
                Ah No.

                but i do see the value of a common vehicle type in combat support


                Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.

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                • On a related note, latest An Cosantoir has a write up on the new Cav Scout Syllabii

                  page 22/23

                  http://digital.jmpublishing.ie/i/1471244-june-2022/22?

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                  • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                    On a related note, latest An Cosantoir has a write up on the new Cav Scout Syllabii

                    page 22/23

                    http://digital.jmpublishing.ie/i/1471244-june-2022/22?
                    Scout tab incoming??
                    What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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                    • Originally posted by ODIN View Post

                      Scout tab incoming??
                      You know there is. You know why? Cav didn't like the idea of the proposed "All Arms Close RECCE" Course that was being mooted to replace both the Infantry and CAV YE RECCE Courses. They wanted to remain separate. They also didn't want to wear a RECCE badge designed for the Infantry(even though a CAV Variant was prototyped). Cue teddy bears out of the pram and a whole new Course,and badge ,for the Raccoons.

                      Serious Inferiority complex methinks.
                      "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                      • Originally posted by apod View Post

                        You know there is. You know why? Cav didn't like the idea of the proposed "All Arms Close RECCE" Course that was being mooted to replace both the Infantry and CAV YE RECCE Courses. They wanted to remain separate. They also didn't want to wear a RECCE badge designed for the Infantry(even though a CAV Variant was prototyped). Cue teddy bears out of the pram and a whole new Course,and badge ,for the Raccoons.

                        Serious Inferiority complex methinks.
                        I guess when you lack the specialised recce vehicles to do your intended role, you have to compensate somehow. Otherwise what are you but infantry who just debus farther away.
                        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                        • Interesting video on French ORBAT

                          https://youtu.be/6OqR8c_TK6Y

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                          • we done this with AMLs and nissans but i do think with the rigght vehicles it a good idea
                            Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.

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                            • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post

                              I would agree for a balanced Army but the big guns have never gone overseas at least the AML90s have had a few outings. So a Centauro B2 or Type 16 MSV might actually get used while a GOaT 15mm would likely never see more than the Glen.
                              Imagine the difference in confidence you'd have on a UN mission if you knew that you had a 120mm or even a 105 covering your back. Even back in Congo days, it was entirely feasible to ship out a few 25 pdrs yet they chose not to. I'd agree with a vehicle mounted 120mm if a direct fire gun was not made available.

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                              • Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post

                                Imagine the difference in confidence you'd have on a UN mission if you knew that you had a 120mm or even a 105 covering your back. Even back in Congo days, it was entirely feasible to ship out a few 25 pdrs yet they chose not to. I'd agree with a vehicle mounted 120mm if a direct fire gun was not made available.
                                When I look at either the Centauro B2 or Type 16 MCV I wonder about the ammo for the main gun. The 120mm is now the most common NATO round available and has been developed into a number of new multi-purpose round which are programmable. Also with it combustible casing it dramatically reduces what end up in the turret after firing. As for the 105mm NATO it is sufficient for a direct fire support vehicle afteral we do not want such a vehicle going head-to-head with tanks. Now that the 105mm is arming the USArmy MPF (light tank) it will be interesting what new development may come. A new programmable round like we have for the 120mm, a combustable casing that can be used in all L7 compatible guns?? If that was to happen the 105mm would be the round of choice as you can carry a lot more for the same space/weight. Might be time to go down to the local Mitsubishi dealer and see what they can offer as a deal!

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