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    Technicals have been doing it for years elsewhere.
    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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    • So, they are in the wild, good to know.

      One thing that is clear though, there is an air of a Corps looking for a task about the Cavalry these days. Recce, Flank Protection, Scouting, Drones, is it all of this, some of this, or something else and new?

      I am a big fan of the Jackal Platform, robust, well armed and well tested. For the "light Cavalry" Squadrons and Troops, it would be a good platform I feel. The Brits have started to update with additional sensors, and drone capabilities from the Jackal too. Give the larger caliber weapons to Support Troops, or Armored Cav if needs be.
      What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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      • Originally posted by ODIN View Post
        So, they are in the wild, good to know.

        One thing that is clear though, there is an air of a Corps looking for a task about the Cavalry these days. Recce, Flank Protection, Scouting, Drones, is it all of this, some of this, or something else and new?

        I am a big fan of the Jackal Platform, robust, well armed and well tested. For the "light Cavalry" Squadrons and Troops, it would be a good platform I feel. The Brits have started to update with additional sensors, and drone capabilities from the Jackal too. Give the larger caliber weapons to Support Troops, or Armored Cav if needs be.
        I think there is an excellent platform (especially when you see how it was employed in Mali) but like any has disadvantages, especially from our perspective I’d be thinking:
        - not weatherproof
        - limited side and no overhead protection
        ​​- no sensors (but as you say they are experimenting)
        - no dismounts

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        • Originally posted by DeV View Post
          - not weatherproof
          Goretex and covered helmets seems to be how the BA have dealt with this, and their climate is similar to ours


          Originally posted by DeV View Post
          - limited side and no overhead protection
          Agreed, but role cage at the front, and I believe 4 point harness seatbelt

          Originally posted by DeV View Post
          - no dismounts
          A crew of 3 to the Jackal 2, the Coyote TSV has a crew of 4, in my fantasy land, a troop would have 4 Jackals (12) and one Coyote (4), with 2 DR's, so cobbling together a troop dismount element is more than workable.​
          What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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          • Originally posted by ODIN View Post

            Goretex and covered helmets seems to be how the BA have dealt with this, and their climate is similar to ours
            I'm sure it does wonders for retention in snow in Estonia


            Agreed, but role cage at the front, and I believe 4 point harness seatbelt
            cover from fire



            A crew of 3 to the Jackal 2, the Coyote TSV has a crew of 4, in my fantasy land, a troop would have 4 Jackals (12) and one Coyote (4), with 2 DR's, so cobbling together a troop dismount element is more than workable.​
            24 hour crewing with 2 crew left on vehicle…

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            • Hows your AFV recognition?
              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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              • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                I'm sure it does wonders for retention in snow in Estonia


                cover from fire





                24 hour crewing with 2 crew left on vehicle…
                "Light Cavalry" DeV. No roof, higher visibility. Speed of up to 120km/h, so, observe and get the f**k out before engaging, but the .5 is there to put down fire in case. The troop would work together, so crewing/dismount needs would be made up from the troop, it was common when operating out of soft skins to have just the driver left in an FFR/GS while a recce or OP was going on.
                What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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                • Originally posted by ODIN View Post

                  "Light Cavalry" DeV. No roof, higher visibility. Speed of up to 120km/h, so, observe and get the f**k out before engaging, but the .5 is there to put down fire in case. The troop would work together, so crewing/dismount needs would be made up from the troop, it was common when operating out of soft skins to have just the driver left in an FFR/GS while a recce or OP was going on.
                  Horses for courses

                  CODF says STANAG Level 4 needed

                  Jackal is an excellent vehicle for what it is designed for:
                  “Jackal 2 is a high mobility weapons platform, with a unique air-bag suspension system allowing rapid movement across varying terrain.

                  It is designed to protect personnel against roadside explosions and mine attacks (the chassis is heavier than its predecessor to give additional protection). Jackal 2 is armed with a General Purpose Machine Gun for crew protection and can carry either a Heavy Machine Gun or a Grenade Machine Gun as the main weapons system in the fire support role.

                  The gun ring has been moved forward to give a 360 degree sweep of fire. Jackal 2 is closely related to the new Coyote tactical support vehicle, which is a six-wheel, Jackal-based armoured vehicle.”

                  has a crew of 2+1 (the plus 1 being the vehicle commander or the gunner, which really means max 1 dismount), it currently has zero sensors

                  Coyote has a crew of up to 5 (so potentially 3 dismounts max)




                  why is the U.K. keeping them?
                  because they provide what they need in desert etc and more importantly they already have them and are paid for

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                  • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                    why is the U.K. keeping them?
                    because they provide what they need in desert etc and more importantly they already have them and are paid for
                    Being used outside of the Desert too. And the three Regular and three Reserve Light Cavalry Regiments all have a mix of Jackal and Coyote, but we can talk the pros and cons of that at some other point.
                    What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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                    • Would you like to be in a jackal if an airburst 155mm artillery round went off in close proximity

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                      • Originally posted by paul g View Post
                        Would you like to be in a jackal if an airburst 155mm artillery round went off in close proximity
                        Don't go anywhere you'll be recieving incoming 155airburst then.

                        Using that logic, why does infantry even exist? What if someone dropped a 500lb bomb on them from a passing B52?
                        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                        • Looking east, do we need to have an organisation to do recon? Do we not give every section/platoon a FPV drone? Every company several small drones? Do we really need to push vehicles forward and when should they not be drone base vehicles?

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                          • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                            Looking east, do we need to have an organisation to do recon? Do we not give every section/platoon a FPV drone? Every company several small drones? Do we really need to push vehicles forward and when should they not be drone base vehicles?
                            remembering the Cav don’t just do recce

                            other argument: If you don’t stay mobile and stay unseen your going to die quickly on the modern battlefield

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                            • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                              Looking east, do we need to have an organisation to do recon? Do we not give every section/platoon a FPV drone? Every company several small drones? Do we really need to push vehicles forward and when should they not be drone base vehicles?
                              Originally posted by DeV View Post

                              remembering the Cav don’t just do recce

                              other argument: If you don’t stay mobile and stay unseen your going to die quickly on the modern battlefield
                              The role of the Cav Sqns is formation reconnaissance, that formation being the brigade. They are the eyes of the brigade commander on the ground operating beyond the range of the artillery.

                              Every Infantry Battalion has its own organic recce platoon for close recce. They are the eyes of the battalion commander operating within the range of the artillery.
                              Javelin detachments, MFCs and Rifle Coy assets can also be used for close recce.

                              In essence, everyone has a recce role, from a four-man patrol up to the top.

                              UAVs certainly need to be introduced into Inf Bn's, but they can not replace eyes on the ground in the same way helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft couldn't.

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                              • Originally posted by Rhodes View Post



                                The role of the Cav Sqns is formation reconnaissance, that formation being the brigade. They are the eyes of the brigade commander on the ground operating beyond the range of the artillery.

                                Every Infantry Battalion has its own organic recce platoon for close recce. They are the eyes of the battalion commander operating within the range of the artillery.
                                Javelin detachments, MFCs and Rifle Coy assets can also be used for close recce.

                                In essence, everyone has a recce role, from a four-man patrol up to the top.

                                UAVs certainly need to be introduced into Inf Bn's, but they can not replace eyes on the ground in the same way helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft couldn't.
                                Primary rol​e but it also has other roles like raiding, screening, escorts, seize & hold etc

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