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    na grohmiti
    Commander in Chief

  • na grohmiti
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    Originally posted by apod View Post

    You know there is. You know why? Cav didn't like the idea of the proposed "All Arms Close RECCE" Course that was being mooted to replace both the Infantry and CAV YE RECCE Courses. They wanted to remain separate. They also didn't want to wear a RECCE badge designed for the Infantry(even though a CAV Variant was prototyped). Cue teddy bears out of the pram and a whole new Course,and badge ,for the Raccoons.

    Serious Inferiority complex methinks.
    I guess when you lack the specialised recce vehicles to do your intended role, you have to compensate somehow. Otherwise what are you but infantry who just debus farther away.

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  • apod
    Commander in Chief

  • apod
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    Originally posted by ODIN View Post

    Scout tab incoming??
    You know there is. You know why? Cav didn't like the idea of the proposed "All Arms Close RECCE" Course that was being mooted to replace both the Infantry and CAV YE RECCE Courses. They wanted to remain separate. They also didn't want to wear a RECCE badge designed for the Infantry(even though a CAV Variant was prototyped). Cue teddy bears out of the pram and a whole new Course,and badge ,for the Raccoons.

    Serious Inferiority complex methinks.

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  • ODIN
    Lt General

  • ODIN
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    Originally posted by DeV View Post
    On a related note, latest An Cosantoir has a write up on the new Cav Scout Syllabii

    page 22/23

    http://digital.jmpublishing.ie/i/1471244-june-2022/22?
    Scout tab incoming??

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  • DeV
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    On a related note, latest An Cosantoir has a write up on the new Cav Scout Syllabii

    page 22/23

    http://digital.jmpublishing.ie/i/1471244-june-2022/22?

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  • madmark
    If in doubt load HE

  • madmark
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    Originally posted by ODIN View Post
    Ah Mark, you're inviting the Smelly Gunners into the super secret Cav Club!!!
    Ah No.

    but i do see the value of a common vehicle type in combat support


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  • ODIN
    Lt General

  • ODIN
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    Ah Mark, you're inviting the Smelly Gunners into the super secret Cav Club!!!

    In fairness though, if the Cav went with the Coyote and Jackal as a platform, and the Arty had the Extenda Mk 2 with the 105mm, would do wonders for supply chains in spare parts, commonality of training on vehicle platforms, and dare I say it, interoperability!! Afterall, didn't the commission recommend the establishment of "Combat Service Regiments"

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  • madmark
    If in doubt load HE

  • madmark
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    https://www.janes.com/defence-news/d...18688984881608

    Supacat new addition

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  • DeV
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    Interesting Australian video on electric vehicles

    https://youtu.be/HXrCae_Z3H0

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  • Come-quickly
    Commandant

  • Come-quickly
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    That's where my money goes on a common platform ('whatever replaces the PIII) with a 120mm mortar mounted it's much less of a reach for our logs capability than having any other option. Albeit still a hungry one for rounds.

    Towing or airlifting L118s or Brandt 120s would have been a huge challenge for us and in most cases any threat that would have required them in theatre would have overpowered them.

    But a pair (at a time. Rotation is the spice of serviceability) of 120mm mortars in the same platform as our manoeuvre elements with contemporary targeting, sighting and laying are a much more manageable investment with a dramatically better return.

    Also the option of laser guided and top attack rounds combined with recce cars that can guide them. And mortar launched drones/sensors mean that you're not just sending it for violence/illum

    Come-quickly
    Commandant
    Last edited by Come-quickly; 20 May 2022, 08:59.

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  • EUFighter
    Colonel

  • EUFighter
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    Originally posted by Come-quickly View Post
    Artillery fires are an important part of light armoured Cavalry tactics so having mobile Artillery for DFs is a bigger hole than the direct fire piece if you're not deluding yourself into pseudo tanking.
    I would agree for a balanced Army but the big guns have never gone overseas at least the AML90s have had a few outings. So a Centauro B2 or Type 16 MSV might actually get used while a GOaT 15mm would likely never see more than the Glen.

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  • ODIN
    Lt General

  • ODIN
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    Originally posted by DeV View Post
    Cav have the Foxtrack radar
    Not mounted on a vehicle though

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  • DeV
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    Cav have the Foxtrack radar

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  • Come-quickly
    Commandant

  • Come-quickly
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    Some countries have started moving towards ISTAR as a discrete element. But screening and flank security will likely remain relevant tasks with UVs and sensor kits built into that model.

    Really ISTAR should be a network with CAV, Arty and infantry all having complementary organic capabilities. This is as important for UNMIL style task groups as conventional warfighting.

    Artillery fires are an important part of light armoured Cavalry tactics so having mobile Artillery for DFs is a bigger hole than the direct fire piece if you're not deluding yourself into pseudo tanking.

    I'm as trainspotter horny for the Centauro B2 as anyone else and it could be a huge asset in the right force structure but it's clear that the ability to take sensors and missiles that can see and harm the enemy for breaking off or delaying actions will be essential for any grouping operating in a Force structure that can't coddle them (I.e. 90% of UN missions)

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  • na grohmiti
    Commander in Chief

  • na grohmiti
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    Once upon a time there was a plan to equip Cav LTAV with mast mounted battlefield Radar. It got Battlefield Radar, but never mounted it above ground. I think , like the drones, it became an artillery thing then.
    A clean slate may be required here. Review what is expected from Combat support units, and equip accordingly. At one stage the recce element of Cav was spending more time on foot than infantry, and were lighter armed.
    na grohmiti
    Commander in Chief
    Last edited by na grohmiti; 19 May 2022, 16:13.

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  • EUFighter
    Colonel

  • EUFighter
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    The question is do we want to limit Cav to ISTAR or do we want it to do more as the armoured element of our forces. Even in the ISTAR role do we not need to integrate more drone, (higher and lower level ones). Do we want to give Cav battlefield radar etc? And as the amroured element do we want it to provide the direct fire role and a mounted anti-tank capability. As for the Belgium model it is almost alone in the EU. Most countries did not get rid of their tanks and in any case they operate as part of a NATO combined arms formation.

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