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  • ARW F350 due for replacement?

    How about this ?

    For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, which is published, but after discussion with parties in government will probably commence being implemented in May or June.

  • #2
    More limited payload?

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    • #3
      I think was they were trying to say is the vehicle is designed to fit in the limited payload of a transport aircraft.
      For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, which is published, but after discussion with parties in government will probably commence being implemented in May or June.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by na grohmit� View Post
        I think was they were trying to say is the vehicle is designed to fit in the limited payload of a transport aircraft.
        Which effects it’s payload

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        • #5
          seems to seat more than the F350
          For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, which is published, but after discussion with parties in government will probably commence being implemented in May or June.

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          • #6
            The vehicle is the Jankel Fox RRV which itself is based upon the Toyota Hilux.
            http://www.jankel.com/fox-rapid-reaction-vehicle-rrv

            As far as I know it is quiet a bit smaller than the F350 and the payload is a lot smaller. There are a number of variants available and the Belgians are not the first in the EU to use a Hilux base for a SoV vehicle. The Czech Army have been using modified Hilux vehicles for some years now.

            However if the F350s are to be replaced then there are many better platforms available: Iveco make a SoV variant of the LMV, Thales has a SoV variant of their Hawkei and then there is the whole HMT range from Supercat. All these machines offer much better protection for the Balaclavas who as they themselves are high value assets we should want to protect a lot. They have better mine protection and much better payload capability. The Supercat HMT Extenda (can be 4x4 or 6x6) has been selected by NZ, Australia and Norway for their special forces. It has the advantage that the 6x6 can also replace the ACMAT trucks at the same time.

            When it is time to replace the F350s we should take our experience into account especially that from Chad.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
              The vehicle is the Jankel Fox RRV which itself is based upon the Toyota Hilux.
              http://www.jankel.com/fox-rapid-reaction-vehicle-rrv

              As far as I know it is quiet a bit smaller than the F350 and the payload is a lot smaller. There are a number of variants available and the Belgians are not the first in the EU to use a Hilux base for a SoV vehicle. The Czech Army have been using modified Hilux vehicles for some years now.

              However if the F350s are to be replaced then there are many better platforms available: Iveco make a SoV variant of the LMV, Thales has a SoV variant of their Hawkei and then there is the whole HMT range from Supercat. All these machines offer much better protection for the Balaclavas who as they themselves are high value assets we should want to protect a lot. They have better mine protection and much better payload capability. The Supercat HMT Extenda (can be 4x4 or 6x6) has been selected by NZ, Australia and Norway for their special forces. It has the advantage that the 6x6 can also replace the ACMAT trucks at the same time.

              When it is time to replace the F350s we should take our experience into account especially that from Chad.
              All the valuable Chad experience will be taken into account...then duely discarded and the ARW will end up with civvy pickups painted green. These civvy pickups will be much lauded as a special vehicle produced for the Irish especially. This also means that parts will cost a billion euro each and will spend most of their time in sheds.
              I knew a simple soldier boy.....
              Who grinned at life in empty joy,
              Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
              And whistled early with the lark.

              In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
              With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
              He put a bullet through his brain.
              And no one spoke of him again.

              You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
              Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
              Sneak home and pray you'll never know
              The hell where youth and laughter go.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Buck View Post
                All the valuable Chad experience will be taken into account...then duely discarded and the ARW will end up with civvy pickups painted green. These civvy pickups will be much lauded as a special vehicle produced for the Irish especially. This also means that parts will cost a billion euro each and will spend most of their time in sheds.
                We have our Chad experience and we can see the experience of others in Afganistan and now in Mali. Most are going for purpose design vehilce and not the green pick-up, the vehilce of choice seems to be the Supercat HMT Extenda
                https://supacat.com/products/hmt/hmt-extenda/
                https://supacat.com/wp-content/uploa...7-17-small.pdf
                The Australian order was for 88 vehicles at a cost of $AUS103m (€65m). So 16 Extenda vehicles for the ARW would come to about €12m.
                EUFighter
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                Last edited by EUFighter; 23 August 2018, 09:26.

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                • #9
                  I agree that international best practice is typically the soundest way forward, don't get me wrong. I'm just very wary of the bean counters and the "shur it'll be grand" brigade.
                  I knew a simple soldier boy.....
                  Who grinned at life in empty joy,
                  Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
                  And whistled early with the lark.

                  In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
                  With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
                  He put a bullet through his brain.
                  And no one spoke of him again.

                  You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
                  Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
                  Sneak home and pray you'll never know
                  The hell where youth and laughter go.

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                  • #10
                    Were the ARW unhappy with the Ford’s performance in Chad?

                    Is the Supacat and similar in use as an SF vehicle or just Infantry/cav?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Buck View Post
                      All the valuable Chad experience will be taken into account...then duely discarded and the ARW will end up with civvy pickups painted green. These civvy pickups will be much lauded as a special vehicle produced for the Irish especially. This also means that parts will cost a billion euro each and will spend most of their time in sheds.
                      And can be retrofitted on a whim with VIP interiors and privacy screens :D
                      "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
                      "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DeV View Post
                        Were the ARW unhappy with the Ford’s performance in Chad?

                        Is the Supacat and similar in use as an SF vehicle or just Infantry/cav?
                        The Australian, New Zealand and Norwegian vehicles are all in the SF version; the Extenda.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by morpheus View Post
                          And can be retrofitted on a whim with VIP interiors and privacy screens :D
                          Doubt any VIPs want to travel in the current vehicles

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DeV View Post
                            Doubt any VIPs want to travel in the current vehicles
                            Only when the ARW is pulling them out of trouble in somewhere like Chad or Mali because they ignored warnings and want a photo op with some unfriendly locals!

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                            • #15
                              Following on from the MALI thread, is it time the 2004 F350 were replaced? Things have changed since then, WMIK is old news, those who used to use it either use LTAV type vehicles or something with basic protection against IED such as Jakal?
                              LTATV such as those based on Polaris MRZR-4 or even the GDOTS Flyer seem to be in widespread use in combat theaters by SOF worldwide.
                              For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, which is published, but after discussion with parties in government will probably commence being implemented in May or June.

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