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    The Australians are deploying 10 of their brand new Bushmasters to Iraq. Even though the vehicle is not yet in full scale production, ADI are currently ramping up, the decision was made to deploy them.

    This should give an interesting comparison between LTVs as represented by the Armored Humvees and the heavier Medium Armoured Vehicle.

    The Bushmaster is a license built version of the Timoney MP44.


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    I dont really see much dfference between deploying the bushmaster to Iraq and the use of other WAPCs other than the Bushmaster having big windows but the fitting of Remote weapons stations to more conventional "closed down" apcs like the LAV series could well nullify that advantage.

    That said its an interesting vehicle experiment, my understanding of the Bushmaster has always been that it was designed for long range mobility in wilderness areas as opposed to Urban patrol work.
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    • #3
      I'm certainly no tank/AFV nut, like somepeople on the board, but I was pondering.....

      Would the armored RUC Land Rovers (or some similar version) be a suitable vehicle for Iraq urban operations? Obviously they are not invincible, and I'm sure they're not RPG-proof, but they worked out pretty well for the RUC for a long time.

      Just a thought. I was wondering what everyone else's opinion was. I've got some thoughts on it, but let's see what everyone else thinks

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        In an environment where anything can explode at you at any time, I think active armour is called for.
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        • #5
          I think active armour is called for
          If you are referring to ERA, its not /exactly/ kind to supporting troops.

          I seem to remember seeing armoured landies in Iraq (on telly obviously); either way, they'd make sense. A lot of vehicles aren't rpg 'proof', and they're still in service there, the land rover is proven, reliable, in service and relatively comfortable.

          I'd still prefer any of the competitors in the Irish Armies LTV programme though.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by strummer
            I'm certainly no tank/AFV nut, like somepeople on the board, but I was pondering.....

            Would the armored RUC Land Rovers (or some similar version) be a suitable vehicle for Iraq urban operations? Obviously they are not invincible, and I'm sure they're not RPG-proof, but they worked out pretty well for the RUC for a long time.

            Just a thought. I was wondering what everyone else's opinion was. I've got some thoughts on it, but let's see what everyone else thinks

            Later.
            There are a whole raft of suitable vehicles being sold off by the MOD not just straight up Landrovers with armour plating but Various Alvis, Tenix, Hotspur and Shortlands Land rover chassis based vehicles with turrets and extra armour.

            The Bushmaster could signal something of a comeback for the 4x4 APC though.
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            Last edited by Come-quickly; 6 May 2005, 16:49.
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            • #7
              Active armour doesn't do you very much good against roadside bombs. It's really only an RPG-defeater in Iraq, and the same job can also be done by screens.

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                Last edited by Pod; 14 May 2005, 21:57.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Come-quickly
                  I dont really see much dfference between deploying the bushmaster to Iraq and the use of other WAPCs other than the Bushmaster having big windows but the fitting of Remote weapons stations to more conventional "closed down" apcs like the LAV series could well nullify that advantage.

                  That said its an interesting vehicle experiment, my understanding of the Bushmaster has always been that it was designed for long range mobility in wilderness areas as opposed to Urban patrol work.
                  You are correct, also it is not an APC so the survivability thing is even more of an issue. It was only ever meant to be a mine protected, more comfortable, (s)lightly armoured truck (with bucket seats, 5 point harnesses and water cooler,) to replace particularly the Unimogs and LR used by the Diggers in places like the Northern Territory. which is not known for its conurbations.

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