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  • End of the Cavalry Corps?

    Does anyone else think the Cav will soon be no more?

    The Piranhas are an Infantry Vehicle, The proposed LTAVs,by all reports will also be an infantry vehicle. The last bastion of armour(as in an armoured vehicle with a heavy weapon of some sort) in the Cav,the Scorpions and Panhards,will soon be obsolete,with no replacment in sight.

    So where will the cav go? Unless I'm mistaken at the moment they are limited to a motorised recce role. Will the Infantry batallion be reorganised as a mechanised batallion, with what remains of the cav becoming their recce coy?

    Take a look at the use of armour overseas to see how it could be in the future.


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

  • #2
    Cavalry units are brigade assets. They are mainly tasked with medium-distance reconnaissance and other more specialist role, therefore it couldn't easily be absorbed into infantry units.

    The majority of the cavalry's vehicle have always been softskinned anyway.

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    • #3
      The Australians use the ASLAV and the M113 in Cav units (not to be confused with their Tank unit) these aren't specialised in any particular way AFAIK, and both are used mainly by infantry units.
      "It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke

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      • #4
        What will happen to the "theoretical" fire support the AMLs could provide to the infantry? Unless there are plans (not likely in the DOD) to update/modify the PIIIs or even buy some more with something other than an anti-soft skin on the top.

        Goldie fish- what meds are you on ???? ;.)
        Reconfigure the infantry battalion to a mechansied role????
        With the assests currently available to the DF - which one??

        It is an unfortunate fact of historical DF docterine (if there is one) to split equipment rather than consolidate it in one place. the PIIIs are a point in fact. The amount purchased would just about equip 1 decent mechanised battalion, but even that would require a sizeable chunk of, if not all of the ALTVs planned to finish the job.

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        • #5
          Would it be a runner to upgun the Piranhas currently in DF service in the future to cater for the
          drop off in Cavalry fire support, i.e; from THIS:



          as posted by Snacker in the Mowag Weapons thread

          to THIS:



          as posted by Come Quickly in the Low Pressure Guns thread


          I know which one would put the s*** up me more !!!!
          Truck Driver
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          Last edited by Truck Driver; 14 May 2005, 21:55.
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          • #6
            They must have run out of DPM paint for the turret!!!
            Sex - Breakfast of Champions!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Itchy
              They must have run out of DPM paint for the turret!!!
              Its a scarce commodoty,you should try looking for some next time you are in stores...


              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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              • #8
                The days of the cav are numbered definetly...especially in the roles that they were originally configured for.The scorpion and AMLs have been long obselete and the fire support role so aptly pointed out above was merely to get the cavalry units out of trouble and was never envisaged as an infantry fire support role ..that was the job of the artillery and support companies.

                Even the CTR that has recently been given to the cav is better suited to the mounted infantry..with proper fire support.

                Unless the light armour role is reconfigured and the vehicles required allocated well I reckon the glengarry will be a thing of the past.

                The people who wish for big powerful weapons acarriers and APCs for a cav role dream on! Light four to six mna vehicles with a light arammnet arethe best that can ever be hoped for given financial and mnapower constarints.The current cav both PDF and RDF are so undermanned its not funny. There is not even a Commandant assigned to the two units in the south . The one Captain is running two units and this is not unique across the Corps.

                Intergration in the south may not be the saviour ...but will only prelong the delay.Vehicles are in short supply with another sris of Nissans due for boarding....and even some of these have been lying around for two years because of the advent of the Nissan GRs. If the Army can afford whole fleets of useless Iveco trucks why not save the money and put it into something worth while.
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                • #9
                  Bad enough that we don't have any decent capability to actually defend the country at home, what will happen for overseas ops? Even if we end up only in Africa, for the next 40 years, some of the irregulars there seem to be better armed than our lads - and that's a f****ing disgrace! Don't forget what happened the last time we had a sizable mission in that part of the world with out of date equipment.
                  And what happens if we get caught up in a Kosovo/FYR type situation?! Sure, we'll be part of a bigger EU/ UN mission with heavy support from just about anybody and everybody else, but the PBI will still need some (semi-)integral and visible fire power to support them other than 82s & 120s.

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                  • #10
                    Sorry to rain on your parade Pod...but fire support for Infantry is not a primary role of the cavalry...thats an artillery tasking.This has been outlined as a feature not required for any future Light recce vehicle.
                    The days of the support troop after the decline of the current AML fleet are numbered.
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                    • #11
                      The main role of the Cavalry is as Brigade reconnaissance, everything else are secondary duties, such as fires support, convoy security and traffic control (there are many more)

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                      • #12
                        I hear what you are saying hptmurphy, but artillery is only ever going to be able to provide (delayed) indirect support. What are we going to have alongside the PBI for more immediate and direct FS other than support company?

                        I think I know the answer, I just don't want to hear it.....

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                        • #13
                          Well what ever its going to be itaint going to be cav operated. the reasoning behind the cavs firepower is to get the recce elemnet out of the shit...remember Cav recce is not adavance to contact due to the small numbers involved but if a cav unit comes under fire...SOP is shoot and scoot!
                          Pod are you RDF cav?

                          Are coming to the corps concentration in the glen of imagination in July?
                          Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                          • #14
                            corp comcentration? is that the 9 day exercise
                            It is only by contemplation of the incompetent that we can appreciate the difficulties and accomplishments of the competent.

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                            • #15
                              please stop using abbreviations!!!!!!!!!! What exactly is PBI? Anyhow main argument is incorrect. Cav will continue to exist, but current firepower will soon be nothing but a memory. Scorpions never served overseas and never will. See brits and aussies have recently scrapped them

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